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You're not wrong, but perhaps a pre-season isn't entirely enough to know what he wanted in terms of sales from the squad.

Last time we had a manager who was here for a project, it wasn't until the end of his first season that we managed to offload a lot of the players he didn't want - and we did in a big way.

At the end of Pochs firsts season we sold

Paulinho
Holtby
Caopue
Lennon
Soldado
Kaboul
Townsend
Adebayor
Cellabos
Chiriches
Stambouli
You’re point on selling all them players at the end of Pochettino’s second season may seem valid on first glance, however, a couple of things…

1) wasn’t it highly reported that window that it was Franco Baldini that was tasked with trimming the squad, an excellent negotiator and a man that was very highly respected throughout the football world?

2) many of the players you listed there were players we had recently signed that, rightly, needed another chance before being sold. The players we are trying to ship out this year are players that have been stinking the place out for almost 10(!) years in some cases and have failed under 4/5 managers.

They are completely and utterly different scenarios and it is not an excuse that stands up to scrutiny.
 
Luton are borderline championship, i think he's about the right level to look good in their team
I think regardless of which way it goes, a year long loan to another PL team is the right call.

If he's terrible, we know what we have. If he's good, then all the better for us.

Truly we won't know what we have until he gets an extended run of games in the top flight.

The Luton Town loan is the best option.
 
Why is Levy and ENIC determined to set us back further and further is the question I want to know. Since we have moved into the new stadium it is like they are trying to make us worse and help devalue the club. Something is going on, it isnt just incompetence, it cant be, now it just feels too calculated but makes no sense.
As i joked about a year or so back. That Lewis and Levy are actually Woolwich, and bought us to milk money and fuck us over!

Maybe wasn't to far fetched! 😜
 


"We've purposefully gone a bit younger because we want to build a team here. It's not about putting the finishing touches on something we're building something here. So that's the mind of profiles we're looking at."

This is blatantly the equivalent of Poch season #1....... Perhaps one or two players get a reprieve that we fans don't think they deserve (Kaboul, Lennon, Capoe), but the axe will still fall eventually....... Get with the program peeps.
 
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Bad strategy by hiring Jose and Conte, who were the wrong choices. I bet Levy thought a change in manager would get much more out of the squad that made the CL final and maybe also finally win us a cup. Turned out it was the wrong approach. Couple that with some really bad signings and we are where we are.

It's far from calculated. Just bad footballing decisions. From the looks of it the lesson has been learned, but don't expect a 180 degree turnaround after one transfer window. It'll take a year or two.

The same was said under Conte who preached about patience but I said from the start our fans are and it would be him who would need to find the patience.

Levy’s worst mistake is that he never learns from them.
 
"We've purposefully gone a bit younger because we want to build a team here. It's not about putting the finishing touches on something we're building something here. So that's the mind of profiles we're looking at."

This is the blatantly the equivalent of Poch season #1....... Perhaps one or two players get a reprieve that we fans don't think they deserve (Kaboul, Lennon, Capoe), but the axe will still fall....... Get with the program peeps.
yeh I like the comments and it hopefully puts to bed those links with that pensioner from Porto.
 
that line of thinking needs to be completely stripped from the club, from top to bottom. 4th spot should be considered a disappointing season.

"Erik Lamela looked at me with disgust when I asked if Tottenham could finish in top four... he said, my friend we could win the title!"​


Despite that not being what that quote suggests..... Will you be "disappointed" if we finish 4th this season?
 
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Duck walks into a bar and asks "Got any bread?"

Barman says: "No."

Duck says: "Got any bread?"

Barman says: "No."

Duck says: "Got any bread?"

Barman says: "No, we have no bread."

Duck says: "Got any bread?"

Barman says: "No, we haven't got any fucking bread."

Duck says: "Got any bread?"

Barman says: "No, are you deaf?! We haven't got any fucking bread, ask me again and I'll nail your fucking beak to the bar you irritating bastard of a bird!"

Duck says: "Got any nails?"

Barman says: "No Duck says: "Got any bread?
Barman says: "How will you pay?"

Duck says: "Can you put it on my bill?"
 
Totally agree and I think that it's important to make the distinction on incompetence between the football and financial operations of the company. You can easily make the case that they are connected, but it's hard to argue in which one we seem to be far more astute.

You kind of summarized my general feelings about Levy and ENIC. I think it's a combination of incompetence from a footballing perspective coupled with a desire for success but only within their preset financial parameters.

They got a lot of newbie gains from where the club was and frankly hit the jackpot with certain players and Poch during their tenure. Now that the league has become flooded with money and increased competition their old tricks just don't work anymore.
Exactly. Exactly.

Peak Poch success was buoyed by the fact that in the mid 2010s football management was nowhere near as advanced as it is even 8 years later, and Poch’s high pressing system was a rarity and a black swan in England (yes seriously). We got first mover advantage in a way before the Klopps Peps De Zerbis etc showed up.

But importantly, our success also relied upon ludicrous outperformance of transfer fees by literally every single one of the starting XI:

Lloris - £12m (considering he was an established international keeper and only 25, a literal steal that could never happen today)
Walker - £2m from Sheffield
Vertonghen - £15m from Ajax
Toby - £12m from Atletico (dodgy Southampton deal iirc)
Rose - £1m from Leeds
Dembele - £15m from Fulham
Dier - £3m from Sporting
Dele - £5m from MK Dons
Eriksen - £13m from Ajax
Son - £23m from Leverkusen
Kane - free.99

Again, every single player outperformed their fee by astounding amounts. I’d estimate that every single player I just listed was performing like a £40-50m player at bare minimum by 2016-17.

The thing is that this just isn’t possible anymore. Orban would be the most expensive player on this list and he’s a 21 year old with 30 matches of European football. Veliz cost as much as Eriksen and Dembele did.

It just isn’t at all feasible or financially realistic to build a title contender that way anymore. The only way to do so would be with a world class academy but when you look at the allocation of resources at Spurs Academy and the state of the coaching it’s obviously miles and miles off.
 
I would be much more patient if we hadn’t just sold the club’s best and greatest player in the past 50 years for £100m and signed exactly one front 3 player, a 5’6” rotation winger on a free.

What is it with you; you always have to ramp shit up........

- Why the comment about Solomon's height?
- Kane is Kane regardless of your 50 years rhetoric.

I remember you said to me at the beginning of the summer in a real humble, forthright ppost...... "I'm not a partisan, over-emoted poster, prone to exaggeration or bunkering down over ENIC etc." [paraphrase]......

That's not really true is it....?

I was expecting some urgency..........

Ah well.......

I'd rather we didn't stomp around in a state of "urgency".
 
So in answer to the criticism of Levy outers not attending protests , in all seriousness this is my own perspective

Rational people know that hate and physical threats etc are not acceptable , I would never be part of or approve of such behaviour . There is no excuse pure and simple .

I also know that Levy is not going to be swayed by peaceful protest , if Gold and Sullivan faced down aggressive vitriol from West Ham far in excess of anything Spurs fans might care to do , ENIC will not cave in to few Levy out chants , no matter how many sing it .

So the ENIC defenders will call out quite rightly people who advocate violence and threats , then also try and ridicule those who know that chanting outside the stadium is a waste of time so don’t bother .

So actually venting on the forums is our only release in reality, why would I waste 2 hours before a game on something I know that will be as effective as a chocolate fire guard


EDIT : So there is your Catch 22
One is totally unacceptable with an alternative that is totally ineffectual
Vent out the window, then come on here and have a laugh with the rest of us.

Life is too short to spend it on a downer over Football. It's not like the majority of us don't feel the same way, it's just that the many of us don't let the fortunes of the team dictate our mood.

The problem here is that there are posters who use it as an excuse to wind up other posters who don't feel the same way, their focus is on character assassination, and that's on both sides of the "argument."

Spurs were always a joy for me. Watching them, talking about them, sharing opinions and arguing differences. That hasn't changed and I'll always want to either have a giggle or a grown up debate with like minded people. That's fun.

You don't have to change your opinion about the management, because you're not wrong for much of it. I guess I'm just saying that the forum is here for enjoyment. Too many have lost sight of that.
 
I am saying it is one of the big turn offs for players especially when moving to a city they know absolutely nothing about. I have been to both Milan and Newcastle and I for one would see living in Newcastle as a downgrade over living in Milan. These kind of things are still important to players and one of the reasons we have been able to get the likes of Van Der Vaart because they know London they probably only heard of Newcastle football club.


Dude.... Maddison was previously living in Leicester....... Not Milan. :balesnarl:
 
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