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Guido 🇺🇦 said:
I think they know exactly what they are doing, just as Leicester did to gain entry to PL which gave them £100m extra revenue, The settlement they negotiated for breaking FFP that enabled their promotion? £3m! 100% worth it as a cost of business.
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Different FFP, that's the Football League.

UEFA is licking their chops at the opportunity to ban one of the English ESL conspirators from the new CL for an FFP breach, that's a dream scenario for them so long as they have a clear and unambiguous violation to make an example of.

(That Boehly & crew might be trying some chicanery with loopholes and whatnot to see what they can get away with may very well be true, but they will make every effort to have a legally colorable case that they have complied)

Also if Chelsea were just going to damn the torpedoes with FFP, they would be buying better players than this lol.
 
JDefoe said:
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One of you bright folks please explain to me what "Fewest Pass Options Post-Carry" means and what its analytic implications would be.

I haven't the foggiest. That sounds kinda bad?
 
FightingIllini said:
One of you bright folks please explain to me what "Fewest Pass Options Post-Carry" means and what its analytic implications would be.

I haven't the foggiest. That sounds kinda bad?
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I assume he carries the ball and then looks around and sees that his Forest teammates are still huddled in their half. That's how shit teams play sometimes. It's why the majority (or all lol) of these players are from teams with a shit attack.
 
NorthernSpur said:
Yep, sounds like you’ve run down a blind alley / left your teammates behind so have no options (other than maybe shooting).
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FightingIllini said:
One of you bright folks please explain to me what "Fewest Pass Options Post-Carry" means and what its analytic implications would be.

I haven't the foggiest. That sounds kinda bad?
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From Sky: “With the help of tracking data, we can now see the total number of passing options that are available to a player when making a pass. Team-mates are considered passing options if the expected completion rate of that pass is at least 80 per cent.

This data tells us that Johnson has the fewest average number of options available to receive a pass when he is in possession”

The implication is really a glass half full. The glass half empty view would be the above quote from NorthernSpur NorthernSpur that he’s just a runner who finds himself in blind alleys, the glass half full one would be GGTH GGTH interpretation, that he’s often unsupported on his runs and with more options around him he’d be a lot more dangerous.
 
Guido 🇺🇦 said:
Only one club has ever been banned in Europe from breaking FFP, Galatasaray in 2016.

I think they know exactly what they are doing, just as Leicester did to gain entry to PL which gave them £100m extra revenue, The settlement they negotiated for breaking FFP that enabled their promotion? £3m! 100% worth it as a cost of business.
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That was domestic rules and I don't think they were too worried about getting banned from Europe.
 
bus-conductor said:
But it could also mean we have spent 95m on Potentially two very less than stellar options for the same position.

I just think if we are spending 50m it should be on a player who’s nailed on to improve us. Are any of us convinced by Johnson?
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I feel fairly confident about Johnson as RW in this system. I don't like the price though but that's another matter. I keep getting told we should show some ambition and waste some money
 
Spursidol said:
We are short of quality HG players under PL rules this season too
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26 players (inc. 7 x HG), but a whole lot of shit to deal with:

Vic
Forster (HG)
Austin (HG)
- Whitman (Injured) (HG)
- Lloris
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Romero
VDV
Dav
Phillips (HG) U21
- Rodon (HG - EPL only) - LOAN
- Dier
- Tanganga (HG)
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Royal
Porro
- Spence (HG)
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Udogie U21
Davies (HG - EPL only)
Sess (injured)
- Reg
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Sarr U21
Bentancur (injured)
Biss
Madz (HG)
Skipp (HG)
GLC
- PEH
- White (HG) U21
- Divine (HG) U21 - LOAN
- Ndombele
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Son
Richy
Perisic
Kulu
Solomon
Veliz U21
Gil (injured)
Scarlett (HG) U21
- Parrot (HG) - LOAN
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How many HG required mate?
 
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FightingIllini said:
Different FFP, that's the Football League.

UEFA is licking their chops at the opportunity to ban one of the English ESL conspirators from the new CL for an FFP breach, that's a dream scenario for them so long as they have a clear and unambiguous violation to make an example of.

(That Boehly & crew might be trying some chicanery with loopholes and whatnot to see what they can get away with may very well be true, but they will make every effort to have a legally colorable case that they have complied)

Also if Chelsea were just going to damn the torpedoes with FFP, they would be buying better players than this lol.
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The principle is exactly the same though, wherever the league there are FFP rules, and if they are broken then a fine is issued (usually negotiated over a protected period and then a settlement is agreed upon and paid), I've yet to see a fine issued and paid that act as a deterant vs the gain that was achieved for breaking it.

I don't think Boehly is inventing loopholes, I think they don't give a fuck, they are going to break FFP and factor in the fine/settlement as part of the cost.

Fair point regarding the players they are signing, I don't know much about most of them. I've seen it written that these players are on smaller salaries, whilst they are getting rid of those on big wages. But this is bogus too, as Sterling is on £325k pw, Enzo on £315k pw, James handed a new contract of £250k pw etc, etc....Also, these players have agents who's actual job is to get what is deemed "market rate" for their salaries, Caicedo would have been offered similar wages at Liverpool as he's getting at Chavs for example.
 
JDefoe said:
From Sky: “With the help of tracking data, we can now see the total number of passing options that are available to a player when making a pass. Team-mates are considered passing options if the expected completion rate of that pass is at least 80 per cent.

This data tells us that Johnson has the fewest average number of options available to receive a pass when he is in possession”

The implication is really a glass half full. The glass half empty view would be the above quote from NorthernSpur NorthernSpur that he’s just a runner who finds himself in blind alleys, the glass half full one would be GGTH GGTH interpretation, that he’s often unsupported on his runs and with more options around him he’d be a lot more dangerous.
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Johnson, Traore, and Perisic on the list, plus the definition, suggests to me that players who love to dribble to the byline are at the top of the list. Whereas if your dribbles are more in-field there are easier passing options around.

Just spitballing.

JDefoe said:
The Johnson profile actually does seem like a good fit for the team on paper. It’s just that the further you get away from the pitch the better he looks, and that always worries me in a player.
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I think that's a very fair and balanced way to put it.

The other factor I think is us showing a willingness to discount any first-year PL struggles relative to the huge star Johnson looked like in the Championship (when Forest's price was higher).

The party I tend to trust most in that scenario is the club that actually owns him. Forest's willingness to sell now spooks me. They could absolutely hold out for 70 like last year and they aren't.
 
Guido 🇺🇦 said:
The principle is exactly the same though, wherever the league there are FFP rules, and if they are broken then a fine is issued (usually negotiated over a protected period and then a settlement is agreed upon and paid), I've yet to see a fine issued and paid that act as a deterant vs the gain that was achieved for breaking it.
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The Football League inherently does not have the power to kick Leicester City out of the Premier League, it's not their competition.

The Champions League is UEFA's competition and Alexsander Ceferin and Nasser Al-Khelafi are DYING to kick a club like Chelsea out. An American owner of a London club who think they're too good for the rules? Absolute dream scenario.
 
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