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1882 Concerning 1882: A View from a Season Ticket Holder

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Norwegian_Yid said:
I've been told that Celtic were the first team to sing it, but we were the first English team to adopt the song.
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Good points, Everton seem to see it as 'their song' in England now. I remember once singing it in a game v Everton (I think Gazza was playing for them), and my wife who was with me, said 'why are you singing for Everton,' and probably a few others did (plus thinking I'm a loon for trying to start a song up on my own :)
 
One thing I've noticed in recent years since season ticket holders bcame the vast majority of the home 'support' is an issue of 'territory'.

As a long-standing (and indeed sitting :) Spurs fan, I regard the whole of the Lane as my 'spiritual home'. Wherever I'm sat as a non-ST, I feel it's my right and duty to sing and shout for my team. Naturally, if I'm sat next to a family with kids, etc I'll try to cut down on the swearing, etc. And wherever possible I do my utmost not to end up in the West or Paxton stands, but sometimes in the past I so wanted to see a game I ended up taking a ticket there if it was all that was available. Nowadays, I don't bother, BTW.

However, even in the East and Park Lane stands, I've often come across the idea that I was an 'outsider' interspersed within a clique of regulars. Now said regulars are often the moaners, whingers and analysers that I can't stand. However I accept their right to carry on whinging and I just concentrate on singing and shouting, but most times the tension ends up showing, and I'll hear something like we've 'got a right one here today' or whatever. Now it can stay on the funny side and sometimes does, but all too often the rifts appear and soon enough I'm ending up with a row with an ST or two. I don't call them fellow Spurs fans, because quite often I don't see them as fans, just people who pay money to come along to hinder our team. They of course see it differently.

This 'territory issue', didn't occur before the 90s, because for most of our history the vast majority of match goers weren't STs. My guess is in the 60s when I started going, if you had a crowd of 60,000 then at most 10% were STs. Therefore the vast majority weren't encroaching on someone else's territory and of course on the terraces you could always move away if you weren't happy with the person standing near you.

The only time I'll now go to a match is if it's an 1882 match, because they are inclusive for people like me who want to support the team. That's how I see it anyway, though I haven't been yet. At my age it's going to take a lot to get me out in the cold this winter/spring, but if anyone can do it,it'll be 1882. Almost certainly not the latest 'star' we've bought, or the fact we're playing a major game. I enjoy watching far more at home, singing and shouting to my heart's content.
 
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Greaves357_bestever said:
One thing I've noticed in recent years since season ticket holders bcame the vast majority of the home 'support' is an issue of 'territory'.

As a long-standing (and indeed sitting :) Spurs fan, I regard the whole of the Lane as my 'spiritual home'. Wherever I'm sat as a non-ST, I feel it's my right and duty to sing and shout for my team. Naturally, if I'm sat next to a family with kids, etc I'll try to cut down on the swearing, etc. And wherever possible I do my utmost not to end up in the West or Paxton stands, but sometimes in the past I so wanted to see a game I ended up taking a ticket there if it was all that was available. Nowadays, I don't bother, BTW.

However, even in the East and Park Lane stands, I've often come across the idea that I was an 'outsider' interspersed within a clique of regulars. Now said regulars are often the moaners, whingers and analysers that I can't stand. However I accept their right to carry on whinging and I just concentrate on singing and shouting, but most times the tension ends up showing, and I'll hear something like we've 'got a right one here today' or whatever. Now it can stay on the funny side and sometimes does, but all too often the rifts appear and soon enough I'm ending up with a row with an ST or two. I don't call them fellow Spurs fans, because quite often I don't see them as fans, just people who pay money to come along to hinder our team. They of course see it differently.

This 'territory issue', didn't occur before the 90s, because for most of our history the vast majority of match goers weren't STs. My guess is in the 60s when I started going, if you had a crowd of 60,000 then at most 10% were STs. Therefore the vast majority weren't encroaching on someone else's territory and of course on the terraces you could always move away if you weren't happy with the person standing near you.

The only time I'll now go to a match is if it's an 1882 match, because they are inclusive for people like me who want to support the team. That's how I see it anyway, though I haven't been yet. At my age it's going to take a lot to get me out in the cold this winter/spring, but if anyone can do it,it'll be 1882. Almost certainly not the latest 'star' we've bought, or the fact we're playing a major game. I enjoy watching far more at home, singing and shouting to my heart's content.
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This^^^! Soooo much!

SOME Season ticket holders seem to think they own that part of the stadium, which if they were welcoming and supporting of the team would pretty much be OK. However you so often end up with a bunch of moaners who not only don't seem to like supporting the team but will go as far to try and persuade you to pipe down a little. I know division isn't the way to go but I sure as hell want to give them an earful.
 
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I really want another one of these type of 1882 games soon!



Organised about a week in advance, there's about 50/100 from 1882 there, and we just sing a load of funny shit all game! Everton was probably the best example of this. Just such a laugh for the whole game!
 
SpursLegend said:
I really want another one of these type of 1882 games soon!



Organised about a week in advance, there's about 50/100 from 1882 there, and we just sing a load of funny shit all game! Everton was probably the best example of this. Just such a laugh for the whole game!
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That is the bollox ! Love it, especially singing Fabrice's name.

Can I use this opportunity to say, cos I wasn't part of this forum at the time, both clubs, medical teams, respective fans (none more so than Dr Andrew Deaner, the cardiologist that emerged from the east stand to take charge of Muamba's vital initial recovery) did Fabrice & football proud that horrible night & in turn, so did the world of football thereafter. The support was universal & although it has cut short his playing career he realises how fortunate he is & much of his time is spent campaigning with the British Heart Foundation and the UK Resuscitation Council for CPR.

Would love to be around or witness 1882 first hand.
 
SpartanSpurs said:
This^^^! Soooo much!

SOME Season ticket holders seem to think they own that part of the stadium, which if they were welcoming and supporting of the team would pretty much be OK. However you so often end up with a bunch of moaners who not only don't seem to like supporting the team but will go as far to try and persuade you to pipe down a little. I know division isn't the way to go but I sure as hell want to give them an earful.
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Well said Spartan. It's so weird how things develop in life at times. I doubt anyone foresaw how making the Lane a predominantly Season Ticket holder venue would have such a negative effect on our crowd, but it has.

Naturally, there are many excellent STH's and all credit to them, but overall the 'Season Ticketification' of our ground has been a really bad thing for our atmosphere on so many levels. The 'cliquie-ness' of regulars versus the occasional 'intruder', the fact that so many non-STs don't get to see the 'big games', the way so many STs have become jaded and cynical in their 'support'. It's a long and not a pretty list.

For the club, it's great to have so much guaranteed income, but when that money costs us points as I think it has over the years, it becomes a false economy. One year extra of CL would pay more in all probability than the occasional loss of revenue by not selling every seat in the ground if we drastically cut back on the number of STs. Of course, realistically we can't do that. It's not an option. But the new ground mustn't be dominated by STs, it would be a tremendous mistake. Hopefully, it won't happen.

The sooner this new stadium gets built the better, but while the current situation drags on, ENIC must take some of the blame for what's happened to the Lane. For them it seems primarily to be about money and a 'sanitised football experience', hence the over-zealous stewarding, etc. However, as AVB and the players have found out, the sterile, sanitised world of the corporate money-led vision is very much a double-edged sword.
 
Hazza said:
Dunno if this has been posted already: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/nov/16/premier-league-fans-atmosphere-concern
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Great to see the mainstream media picking up on this finally. For me pricing and fan experience are the most important issues facing football in our country right now. Possibly more so than the perceived lack of decent English players.
Sadly it often gets lost in the noise of the weekly controversies about who should have had a penalty or re d card etc.
The media arer supposed to represent the people but they've long since sold out to become the loudmouthed perpetuators of the big premier league 'show'
 
Thelonious said:
Shoes off/pogo is fun for a small group, at a youth game, everyone is in it together, thus giving the chant a better effect than it does at first team games. It's just a personal POV, I just don't think it generates any atmosphere. The mobile phone one, I wasn't exactly for it but the spontaneity made it work.
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I disagree!


I know it's The Huddle, and therefore all a bit the wrong way round, but who gizza shite pal, it the whoal fookin' steedium hen!
 
Greaves357_bestever said:
Good points, Everton seem to see it as 'their song' in England now. I remember once singing it in a game v Everton (I think Gazza was playing for them), and my wife who was with me, said 'why are you singing for Everton,' and probably a few others did (plus thinking I'm a loon for trying to start a song up on my own :)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Celtic_Song

It's originally a Celtic song of course but we were the first English team to adopt it in the 1960s.



I agree I'd love for this to be sung more often and all the way through properly and not rushed! "Oh when the spurs go marching in" is another one that gets sung too quickly these days.

"Glory Glory Hallelujah / My Eyes Have Seen the Glory" of course is the spurs song and our best one. That's one that we still sing slowly at the right speed I just wish more people would join in because it rarely gets going around the ground like "Oh when the spurs go marching in" does.

I'd love it if we made it to the cup final again soon for Chas & Dave to do one more single for us but this time the proper lyrics of the song not the bastardized 1981 version that gets played over the tannoy system on match days. i.e. more like this but with the "My eyes have seen the glory" parts too....

 
Clarky said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Celtic_Song

It's originally a Celtic song of course but we were the first English team to adopt it in the 1960s.



I agree I'd love for this to be sung more often and all the way through properly and not rushed! "Oh when the spurs go marching in" is another one that gets sung too quickly these days.

"Glory Glory Hallelujah / My Eyes Have Seen the Glory" of course is the spurs song and our best one. That's one that we still sing slowly at the right speed I just wish more people would join in because it rarely gets going around the ground like "Oh when the spurs go marching in" does.

I'd love it if we made it to the cup final again soon for Chas & Dave to do one more single for us but this time the proper lyrics of the song not the bastardized 1981 version that gets played over the tannoy system on match days. i.e. more like this but with the "My eyes have seen the glory" parts too....

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Great stuff Clarky, I thought the song went back to the 60s with us, and agree about Glory, glory, etc. Yep and another Chas & Dave song would be nice :)
 
Oooh, a neg rep from @ What gives bub? Thought you used to tell us how you were above that sort of internet zoid stuff? Feeling a little redundant are we?

#buriedbynegs :avbdamn:
 
Smoked Salmon said:
Nice to see 1882 mentioned in the national press, even if it is referred to as the 1882 "collective flashmob".
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It's the follow-up comment that it's too 'cliquey' that rankles a little bit... making it sound like it's some secret elite group with handshakes and membership newsletters!
...the complete opposite is true... anyone, of any background, and any age can come along... and the beauty of it is, they don't even need to 'join' ...just JOIN IN!! (you can have that one @ Flav Flav it'll make a 'triffic poster campaign!!)
 
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