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Transfers January Transfer Thread 2024

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Distaste for scouse said:
This is the problem when you sign potential and not the finished article.
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The problem in the past for us, was that potential wasn't really based on actual targetted aquasitions that would benefit the squad, but rather jsut opportunistic. This in part was due to the fact the fact the club had no philosphy or direction, it just randomly flip-flopped and lurched from one random manager and play style to another random manager and play style.

With the arrive of Ange, it seems that he has set a philosophy through out the club which we desperately needed. And it seems that we are now targetting potenial players that fit this philsophy. Rather than before, they had potential, but never really any thought as to whether they fit the philosphy of the club.

What I worry about most when Ange eventually leaves, is whether the bald wank gnome will hire another manager with the same attacking philosphy and take the club forward, or will it be a levy special and change the whole fucking philosophy, requiring whole scale changes to the squad that Levy will never meet. LEaving us once again with squad of random players for various managers, like several jigsaw pieces that never quite fit as they are all from different sets.

So I am all for getting in young hungry potential that matches the philosophy of the club.
 
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TomHotspur said:
I would actually tend to agree with you!

I’m more on the side of we made signings last summer that had been needed for years (Maddison being one) but didn’t make any serious effort to either replace Kanes goals or strengthen the squad significantly with the money.

Vic, VDV, Maddison should have been signings we made regardless of the Kane money.
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Curiously having the money helps us make the signings. This time money came from Kane's sale

I wonder who didn't know that's how most clubs work
 
TheGreenLily said:
The problem in the past for us, was that potential wasn't really based on actual targetted aquasitions that would benefit the squad, but rather jsut opportunistic. This in part was due to the fact the fact the club had no philosphy or direction, it just randomly flip-flopped and lurched from one random manager and play style to another random manager and play style.

With the arrive of Ange, it seems that he has set a philosophy through out the club which we desperately needed. And it seems that we are now targetting potenial players that fit this philsophy. Rather than before, they had potential, but never really any thought as to whether they fit the philosphy of the club.

What I worry about most when Ange eventually leaves, is whether the bald wank gnome will hire another manager with the same attacking philosphy and take the club forward, or will it be a levy special and change the whole fucking philosophy, requiring whole scale changes to the squad that Levy will never meet. LEaving us once again with squad of random players for various managers, like several jigsaw pieces that never quite fit as they are all from different sets.

So I am all for getting in young hungry potential that matches the philosophy of the club.
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Are there any others that play close to how Ange plays? The inverted fullbacks, extremely high defence line etc?

If there are, who?
 
MVP said:
Yes, which is why it's too early to say we will definitely reach top 5
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Do you think they are more likely to pick up points against those above us and the teams around us than we are or something?

Where do you think they can "easily make up 5 points" where we can't?

MVP said:
You said he fluked his way to a CL final
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That's not downplaying an achievement.

MVP said:
and practically ignored he got 4th in his last season.
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I didn't do that either. I said we were lucky Emery and Woolwich never clicked. Because top four was there for the taking we were that bad.


MVP said:
It's more than a shame we didn't win a league cup or two but who would have thought we would get to a CL final after not buying one single player that summer? Nobody.
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Agreed and that semi final in Amsterdam will remain as one of the best memories I have ever had supporting Spurs.

But that was never going to be enough to keep him in a job. Just like Juande Ramos having a trophy on his resumé was never going to be enough to keep him in the job. When results are as terrible as they are, performances are lacking and there's no signs of it stopping, there's only one answer.

MVP said:
Yet he was still the most successful manager under ENIC during that time, so again what better did you expect than 4th place and had he not done enough during his time to deserve more time?
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How far do you let us fall ?

In his final season alone, we had 14 points after 12 games which if we had kept that up had seen us finish 13th or so on 44 points, couldn't win an away game to save our lives, which saw us get knocked out on penalties to a team in League Two in the domestic cup, had already lost a game 7-2 in Europe...

It's a results business. Rough patches happen. We just had one with Ange. (Mostly due to circumstance) but the end of Pochettino's tenure wasn't a rough patch, far from it. It was the end.
 
Smogz said:
Are there any others that play close to how Ange plays? The inverted fullbacks, extremely high defence line etc?

If there are, who?
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Every manager plays slightly different.

I am not expecting a clone of Big Ange. But it is fair to say that if you do get another mamange, one that closely aligns with the philosophy of club, attacking free flowing football, will be a lot smoother, cheaper and less upheaval for everyone.

AVB, Redknap, Poch, Mourinho, Nuno, Cunti... All flip-flopping from won style and philosophy to the next and it has done us no good, especially over the last 4 years.

One style, one philosophy all through the club from top to bottom.

Tis is why for me, I would like Jota to come this window if he can, as he fits Ange style and understands his game and Ange knows exactly what he is getting.
 
LeParisien said:
Great contribution.

The fact is many people never display any empathy. It’s like selling clubs have no agency or they’re all dumb as shit rather than rational actors trying to maximise the return on their assets.
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The irony is that when such a scenario is visible.... i.e. Sporting / Lyon etc. They revel in it and go "Ha! Levy has been Levy'd"....

In the same spirit; look at the barrel that other owners put the like of Boehely and the Glaziers over when they see them coming.


The people in question KNOW what you're saying is true..... It just doesn't suit them to consider it when they're foot-stomping over what they want.
 
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GDG said:
I read what he said.

I obviously don’t agree that we were targeting the PL pre-season and I doubt the clubs ambitions went anything beyond CL (if even that), but I still don’t think it negates the overall point Richard was trying to make that whatever the targets / ambitions were, they were severely compromised by not bringing that CB in, and it’s absolutely cost us points.

I’m not panicking, I wish others weren’t either, but we’re on the cusp of top 4 and not a millions miles away from top of the league, people just want to see urgency that we’re supporting the manager to finish as high in the table as we can.

Again, I’m not suggesting we aren’t doing that, but I also have a little sympathy for those that appear over-eager to build on the first half of this season because of where it might take us.

Spurs fans have long memories, they still have the name Ryan Nelson ringing in their ear from a time we were in a similar position. Club has moved forward greatly since then, but can you blame them for the cynicism?
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Not too much to gainsay about your post, except for the second paragraph. Not having another CB wasn't the reason we dropped points, it was primarily our profligacy up front.

Against both Villa and West Ham we should have been out of sight. Against Chelsea it was because we had 2 players sent off and another 2 key players injured. There's 9 points that had absolutely nothing to do with missing an additional CB. That's mostly on our frontline.
 
Starks said:
I don't think they were written off. I think he had a falling out with the people who decide the future direction of the club and they decided he wasn't the man to take us to the next level.

Nothing more, nothing less. Jol was a good manager for what we needed at the time and I will always love him. Took us from middling nothing to hopers. But that was it. He was never good enough to take us further.

But the comparison between Spurs under Jols tenure and getting sacked to Ange and finishing 5th are just ridiculously stupid.
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What Space cadet thinks AP is going to get sacked?

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Herclueless said:
What makes you so sure we did wait until Jan 1st? That's just an arbitrary date I used in my imaginary scenario.

What incentive would Genoa have to agree a deal in advance of that? They could agree to sell him to us in November for a fee, what his form sky rocket and then be left kicking themselves for unnecessarily agreeing to a deal in advance.

Even now with the window open, given that he's on of their main assets, they would be better off delaying on the deal a) so that they can use him and b) because other suitors might come out of the woodwork.

As far as I'm aware, they're not desperate to sell, so worst case for them we look elsewhere, no other buyers turn up, and they keep a player they don't want to sell anyway.
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Might just be agent waffle; but it seems to me from his agents comments that Genoa would quite like him to re-sign.
 
StripiestPilot said:
I don’t think we would have signed Johnson or Maddison without the Kane money. If he’d stayed then we‘d have VDV, Solomon and Vicario and a few cheap deals in attack. Levy was never going to keep Kane AND spend the money required to bring the team to a top level.
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Exactly. And this is precisely the reason one of the best, if not the best forwards of his generation went a whole decade without a single trophy at his boyhood club.
A criminal act of negligence by the board.
When a player like Kane comes along for free, you should sieze the moment and build a squad around him and go for glory....not penny pinch with Poundland bargains who ain't fit to clean his boots .
 
CAN SOMETHING FUCKING HAPPEN, PLEASE.

Anything. Anyone. Seriously. Just so we can talk about something other than what we've all been talking about for the past two weeks.

It doesn't even need to be a signing, a new rumour would be great. Maybe Mbappe fancies a change of environment. Can we start spreading that? If I hear Dragusin's name one more time before we actually sign him I'm going to shit myself in protest.
 
Starks said:
Do you think they are more likely to pick up points against those above us and the teams around us than we are or something?

Where do you think they can "easily make up 5 points" where we can't?
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I think it's a bit of crazy season where there isn't much between a lot of sides, again it's just too early to say we will definitely finish top 5
Starks said:
That's not downplaying an achievement.
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Yes it is
Starks said:
I didn't do that either. I said we were lucky Emery and Woolwich never clicked. Because top four was there for the taking we were that bad.
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You're not giving us/ Poch credit for playing well enough to get that top four place.
Starks said:
Agreed and that semi final in Amsterdam will remain as one of the best memories I have ever had supporting Spurs.

But that was never going to be enough to keep him in a job. Just like Juande Ramos having a trophy on his resumé was never going to be enough to keep him in the job. When results are as terrible as they are, performances are lacking and there's no signs of it stopping, there's only one answer.
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Well he got 4th place as well and that's all that ENIC want. If they cared about quality of performances they would have never hired Mourinho
Starks said:
How far do you let us fall ?

In his final season alone, we had 14 points after 12 games which if we had kept that up had seen us finish 13th or so on 44 points, couldn't win an away game to save our lives, which saw us get knocked out on penalties to a team in League Two in the domestic cup, had already lost a game 7-2 in Europe...

It's a results business. Rough patches happen. We just had one with Ange. (Mostly due to circumstance) but the end of Pochettino's tenure wasn't a rough patch, far from it. It was the end.
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He got sacked in Nov and we ended up in 6th place outside CL places and been stumbling and bumbling from one manager to the next it got to the point where are manager search became a joke.
 
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