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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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Well that's where you accept less than ideal and just allow them to do that.
You don't give away stupid corners when you're terrible at defending them, you don't leave acres of space in behind for relegation fodder's donkey of a striker to have the freedom of the city in front of your keeper by recklessly chasing a second as though you're trying to overturn an aggregate scoreline...
We're 1-0 up early and they still aren't coming out, pass it around then, they'll either have to eventually or we'll win 1-0 controlling the ball.
But youād still expect to see progress over that 1st season and unfortunately weāre doing the opposite. Most of us agree that a large part of the story is that teams have worked us out (vs the beginning of the season where we had the element of surprise).
The drop in form in players like Mads, Son, Biss and Kulu (he was better yday but still) has pretty much killed us. Iām willing to give Ange the benefit of the doubt here and suggest this isnāt his responsibility but itās worrying that these players who we assumed were going to be our bedrock moving forwards, appear now to be nothing of the sort.
Defensively is where Ange deserves most of his criticism. We have individually brilliant defensive players and just shouldnāt be conceding so many easy chances and goals. This has got worse over the season when we have had plenty of downtime (no Europe and out of cups) to work on it.
Plus his tinkering of that midfield is bloody infuriating- work out your 1st choice midfield FFS!!!
The pressure is on him now and as is ever the question, how much is that bloody chairman going to help him.
The delusion of Postecoglou fans is something else.
Iām still on the Ange has done alright given the ridiculous board situation but the idea NO coach could do better than distant 5th, losing to all our rivals at home and out of the cups early is hilariously silly. Of course they could. Look at what Emery has done at Villa!
We lost Kane but gained Vicario, Udogie, VDV, Maddison, Johnson, Werner.. anyone gonna say these arenāt improvements on what we had?????
I don't necessarily disagree with your point but, firstly, Scum are very good team and we aren't yet. Secondly if Romero puts either of his two gilt edged header chances into the net that first half plays out completely differently - and that's not even counting the penalty Kulu should have had which would have cancelled out their second goal. They scored their two set piece goals - we just missed. It makes HUGE difference.
I'll say it again - it fucking sucks that we lost but the over-reaction by many is absurd. This was a much better performance than the Newcastle game.
The proof in the Ange pudding comes next year and the one after that.
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I agree with the sentiment and like your post, butā¦
ā¦ as a STH for around 30 years, and having backed the club home and away for all of ENICās tenure, I and all of us have been very patient. Spurs fans have been waiting a generation for things to come good.
I donāt want to be cynical but history means I canāt help wondering whether, when Levy was smugly sat next to Ange at the Fans Forum earlier in the season, proclaiming we had got our āclub backā, what he was really inferring was that we had simply found another romantic mug for us to get behind and squeeze out another round of the most expensive season tickets and hospitality in world football.
There's a couple of things to this.
Firstly, all of this players who we mostly thought were great earlier on in the season, actually all of a sudden aren't all that, and form has fallen off of a cliff. Really? How likely is it that we were so wrong about all of them initially? How much of a coincidence is it that their form has just disappeared the longer they've spent under these coaches?
And secondly, even if Ange and his crew are the second coming of Christ re-incarnated as a rag tag group of good vibezzzz lads, and it is all of these players who are the issue and the good form of the early season was just a temprary mirage. Who is the club really going to replace, the guy in charge who can't get a tune out of the tools at his disposal, or the entire playing staff?
That's exactly what we do in our third. And fans moan about it constantly.
Again, and sorry if I'm repeating myself, the issue stems from the lack of technical ability in the final third. We lose the ball far too easily. Whether it's Kulusevski, Johnson, Werner, Maddison, Son... They give up possession too easily and then the counter is on. Every single time.
Son against Newcastle twice. Maddison against Woolwich. Kulusevski against Luton. Bissouma against Wolves..
We played a high line with Pochettino in charge. Sometimes with Vertonghen and Davies on our left side... But you know what? We had Eriksen and Kane in our attack, who would hold possession incredibly well, you had Dembele and Wanyama who'd win it back as soon as it was lost...
Forest could have scored a fair few goals yesterday against City on counter attacks.... They happen. It's football. But what City do well is limit oppnenents those chances to a few a game overall because they're so exceptional at keeping the ball and when losing it, either commiting a foul and getting away with it or just winning it back.
We're not the finished article. Our technical ability in the final third is not even top 5 in the league. And it shows.
I not happy with 1 point from those games and I do think we could have done better in a lot of games but I still donāt think we could finish any higher than 4th which is still a possibility.
The top 3 this season were just too consistent but I expected inconsistency this season so nothing has really surprised me. What I will say is Iām disappointed in some aspects of how we play and disappointed in individual players but overall Iām taking this for a first season under Ange.
Iām not one of these 4th is our aim because come next season I think we should be going to try win it because we are a year in,better players hopefully to come in,learned from the experiences if this season and the manager having a year to understand the league.
I have no doubts in my mind that we will be much better next season and will challenge to win things. Only time will tell.
And that point was really noticable yesterday.More so than normal
The classic We Tried FC...
Used to be the preserve of those excusing away failures in the transfer market, now it's on the pitch.
We tried, but the ref...
but the low block...
but the PGMOL...
but SkySports...
but Gary Neville...
I donāt think Vic was pinned at any corner yesterday. My issue with him is heās just standing worrying about whoās near him. He can be on the move and come and collect corners. Heās 6ft 4 and when he jumps and with those big long arms heās about ten feet tall so he needs to help his team mates more
He was, I wouldn't say he was pinned but Ben White did enough to get in the way of his run up.
Vic is so weak on corners man, guys needs to work on his core muscles or something because he physically cannot collect the ball through a crowd of players.
It was. Did you enjoy it? If so, good for you, but it doesnāt surprise me one bit. The way I saw it:
1. Woolwich were 3-0 up at HT. In a NLD. Away. That in itself is embarrassing. Donāt remember the last time we conceded 3 at home in a NLD.
2. Woolwich played like shit, they were shattered in the second half, after having played like 4 games in the last 10-12 days. And they managed to win quite comfortably, despite last few minutes of apparent pressure from Spurs.
3. We didnāt create anything noteworthy. Our goal came after a massive gift from Raya and our second goal came after a penalty. I would say our biggest chance was the Romero header that hit the post, which came from a corner.
4. We continue to pass it sideways around the oppositionās box, just like we did in the previous games. No ideas how to break down a defence. Some random floated crosses that were easily handled by Raya. Our team looks like a bunch of random players who were picked together on the day of the game when it comes to creating anything.
5. Finally, defensively weāre still suspect, although I thought we didnāt give them a lot of opportunities in this game. But this remains up to debate in the next few games to see if it was one off or weāre improving a bit here.
Per overall, a limp, embarrassing performance and we should demand more, project manager, no project manager, donāt give a fuck, itās a derby.
We will never known. A back 5 with Drag,Cuti and VDV at centre backs and Porro and Udogie playing as wing backs does sound very good. Put three really good midfielders in there and two excellent strikers and itās a completely different look to what we have now but under Ange weāll never know because he wonāt ever play a back 3 or 5.
I GUARANTEE if Postecoglou is given more time, we will get not relegated. We might not win anything either so that's the limit of my guarantees haha
Yeah he has, results wise 5th place is okay, but no way itās some massive overachieving bullshit these fanboys spout. And this is what pisses me off a lot, at least have some humility and stop saying fucking Postecoglou is some demi-god manager and we couldnāt have hoped for better.
Like you said, Aston Villa have done better with less resources. And in fact, people never compare Postecoglou with Emery, why? Is it because the latter has drastically improved their club and didnāt need time for āsystemā bullshit? Always to suit their agenda, man. Bbbb but Klopp. Bbbb but Guardiola. Fuck off.
I don't have a problem with teams doing it to us but it pisses me off that we aren't shithousing like them.
We're way too honest, why don't we see our players ruffling up the keeper, why aren't our players winning clever free kicks, slowing the match down etc...
Maddison and Romero are probably the only ones who get how to shithouse on the pitch
Thanks for proving your inability to read and comprehend.
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You're welcome. Don't bother wasting your time replying - I promise you I won't be reading any more of your stupid, pointless obnoxious posts.
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Simple. Unless he can deploy a style that has us solid out of possession and better equip to deal with transitions, he will struggle to break out of the 7th-4th range in the table.
You would need serious quality players to brute force your way to a higher placed finish playing pure attacking football, and thinking you can play so good you break the opposition to the point you dont need to worry so much about the ugly side of the game. Im talking Mbappe and Vini Jr type players.
This isnt Celtic were every opponent but one is cannon fodder. He either adapts and learns, or be becomes an Australian version of Harry Redknapp - someone who embraces simplicity and is more about personal connections and 'having a go son'. Nothing wrong with Harry's time as manager, but he was never going to finish higher than 4th.
Maybe a bit more self-awareness too. Stop talking about challenging for the league whilst refusing to see the value in working on set pieces & having a plan B or variance in tactics. Because to me, that comes across as someone bragging they will blitz the test without studying, then the results come in and you only just passed..........whats going on?
You would need serious quality players to brute force your way to a higher placed finish playing pure attacking football, and thinking you can play so good you break the opposition to the point you dont need to worry so much about the ugly side of the game. Im talking Mbappe and Vini Jr type players.
This isnt Celtic were every opponent but one is cannon fodder. He either adapts and learns, or be becomes an Australian version of Harry Redknapp - someone who embraces simplicity and is more about personal connections and 'having a go son'. Nothing wrong with Harry's time as manager, but he was never going to finish higher than 4th.
Maybe a bit more self-awareness too. Stop talking about challenging for the league whilst refusing to see the value in working on set pieces & having a plan B or variance in tactics. Because to me, that comes across as someone bragging they will blitz the test without studying, then the results come in and you only just passed..........whats going on?
He did do with the national team
The key tactical points of Ange Postecoglouās controversial 3-2-4-1 formation in possession
A video analysis of the key tactical points of the Socceroos new 3-2-4-1 system of play
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