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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Yeah, this is gaslighting. Whoever is spinning it needs to stop.

I categorically do not accept the point that is being made. Losing that game was the best outcome. I would expect any fan of any other side to think the same. If the Chavs we’re playing City and a win meant our first league title in 60 years, I would fully expect every fan in Stamford Bridge to be supporting City.

I’m just not having it. This Corinthian nonsense about how the game *should* be approached. It’s tribal. We love our side and we hate the opposition. That level of hate may vary, but it’s the lifeblood of the sport and it drives our support.

Now, people may disagree on how that needing to lose should have been expressed. Ok. Fair enough. Stone cold silence rather than cheers. Whatever. Put alcohol in people and behaviour will vary.

But this bullshit needs to stop. There’s fuck all wrong with the foundations of this club. In fact, if you haven’t got a healthy level of hate, your foundations are weak.
Yeah you are spot on with your recent posts regarding this subject.

I'm baffled about the outcry around all this too. We as a fanbase are quite right to hold rivalry above winning one fucking football match which really wasn't guaranteeing us anything but would have caused us years of gloating from our biggest rival.

It's not like we've turned up in our droves this season not actively supporting the club on every occasion. It's just making a story out of something and trying to cause a drama. Like you quite rightly say, every other fan of their club would have acted the same but because it unfortunately was us it happened to involve it seems to be more of a drama.
 
Yeah, this is gaslighting. Whoever is spinning it needs to stop.

I categorically do not accept the point that is being made. Losing that game was the best outcome. I would expect any fan of any other side to think the same. If the Chavs we’re playing City and a win meant our first league title in 60 years, I would fully expect every fan in Stamford Bridge to be supporting City.

I’m just not having it. This Corinthian nonsense about how the game *should* be approached. It’s tribal. We love our side and we hate the opposition. That level of hate may vary, but it’s the lifeblood of the sport and it drives our support.

Now, people may disagree on how that needing to lose should have been expressed. Ok. Fair enough. Stone cold silence rather than cheers. Whatever. Put alcohol in people and behaviour will vary.

But this bullshit needs to stop. There’s fuck all wrong with the foundations of this club. In fact, if you haven’t got a healthy level of hate, your foundations are weak.

I have used the example of the 2018 World Cup where England had to lose to Belgium in the group stage to get the easier run to the final and an overwhelming majority of England fans wanted us to lose that game. Southgate even put out reserve team and we lost 1 nil. It is no different to that and thrown that at people who’ve said it’s silly for us to want to lose. Funnily enough when going back through WhatsApp conversations those same people wanted us to throw that England game
 
It was a (hopefully) once in a lifetime situation. It’s irritating how pundits and journalists are wilfully ignoring this.

I don’t care what anyone says. The overwhelming majority of Chav, Woolwich, Spam fans would have wanted *exactly* the same loss, were the roles switched.

Also, I think we need to get away from this idea of needing a winner or changing the culture. It’s an almost corporate approach to sport.

We need really fucking good players.

The single thing that will determine Ange’s success at the club is how we recruit for our forward line. That’s all it is.

winner or changing the culture. It’s an almost corporate approach to sport.

you're right the bit I've highlighted is utter corporate bollocks that has infected sport. Steven fucking Bartlet isn't going to change shit at Spurs. Good footballers create the mysterious winning culture, along with a cunning coach. Its not grown in a petri dish.

I have a mate who genuinely believes that he has worked out the actual statistics on winning teams. He has been reassuringly calm on Woolwich not winning the league this season as he is adamant they fell short of his magic ratio( don't ask, he is going to write a paper, suffice to say we are miles off) but he claims that 2018 Pochettino team need three elite footballers added to the squad to start hoovering up silver( Lecister City are the statistical outlier, which I guess we could all have guessed)He has gone back to 1995 and claims it holds up, as its when three subs were permitted thus changing the squad dynamic
 
I have used the example of the 2018 World Cup where England had to lose to Belgium in the group stage to get the easier run to the final and an overwhelming majority of England fans wanted us to lose that game. Southgate even put out reserve team and we lost 1 nil. It is no different to that and thrown that at people who’ve said it’s silly for us to want to lose. Funnily enough when going back through WhatsApp conversations those same people wanted us to throw that England game

And that's how England won the WC?
 
The problem isn’t that he never adjusts the plan tactically. The problem is that the moany Karen crew aren’t able to recognise the changes and adjustments and Ange doesn’t talk about them in press conferences, so when we get a bad result people just make lazy assumptions that we lost because the manager isn’t flexible.

Case in point that people are still referencing the Chelsea home game with 9 men because that was right in front of their faces so that’s what must have been happening ever since:


View: https://x.com/hbrooks_coach/status/1790471387376664777?s=46&t=DK3x3JffKkqwqcsQdIeO_A

Btw has Emery adjusted his high line principle now that teams have “figured him out”?

People reference the 9 men Chelsea debacle because it was the most obvious example of a tactically inflexible manager being overly wedded to his "principles" at the cost of a result.

There have been plenty of other examples of this inflexibility throughout the season, brought up multiple times in this thread; you're just being wilfully blind to them.
 
People reference the 9 men Chelsea debacle because it was the most obvious example of a tactically inflexible manager being overly wedded to his "principles" at the cost of a result.

There have been plenty of other examples of this inflexibility throughout the season, brought up multiple times in this thread; you're just being wilfully blind to them.

I’m the one being wilfully blind?

Ok Klaus
 
I never said it was a perfect season.

I simply replied to a comment that said we've not had worse form in 20 years. Which was incorrect.

I don't think our injuries have helped. I don't think waiting an average 8+ days between games has helped us out either. (sometimes 2 weeks).

I think alot of our defensive issues stem from our forward line being rubbish and unable to create chances and threaten and the high turnovers they cause by being so wasteful, which in turn has opponents countering.

There's been plenty of issues this season with regards to defensive issues (even though our defensive record from open play with our strongest back five is pretty great), set pieces, decision making, injuries, suspensions, international breaks. But I think it's been a good season, that promised more.

I look forward to next.

What? Playing less games and having more time to train is now BAD THING ? Now I've heard it all.
It is pretty universally accepted that the more games you play, more difficult it is. Listen to Klopp, Pep or whoevers comments.

Saying that it is an issue you have 7 or 8 days to prepare is wild, sorry. It can only be a bad thing if you have no idea how to use this kind of time.

Injuries are very comfortable excuse to hide behind. In some moments ofc they impacted us - like when we did not have a single senior CB specialist available. But in terms of injuries, we have been like 6th or 7th most impacted team.

In terms of attackers being wasteful and giving away possession too often - well that is surely the case. BUT when it became apparent that it happens like this, I would have liked to see some kind of solution to the issue. Instead of just keep banging head against the same wall with zero change. I was eager to see how we could do with Kulu and Madders playing both "no 10" role and having basically 2 strikers and 2 AM's as we had 0 capable wingers in last 1/3 of the season. But we still kept trying same crap with no change so that is 100% on Ange. He is responsible for setting up team, coming up with solutions and finding ways to get results.
 
we lost against Brighton in the last 10 games of that season under conte, and drew one.
we were undefeated in the first 10 games this season, and drew two

so not sure how your statement is correct if we picked up more points in the opening 10 games
Because it wasn't a points count. It was about being the best team in the league during a period of time.

I don't think we were the best team in the league for the first 10 games of this season.
 
What? Playing less games and having more time to train is now BAD THING ? Now I've heard it all.
It is pretty universally accepted that the more games you play, more difficult it is. Listen to Klopp, Pep or whoevers comments.

Saying that it is an issue you have 7 or 8 days to prepare is wild, sorry. It can only be a bad thing if you have no idea how to use this kind of time.

Injuries are very comfortable excuse to hide behind. In some moments ofc they impacted us - like when we did not have a single senior CB specialist available. But in terms of injuries, we have been like 6th or 7th most impacted team.

In terms of attackers being wasteful and giving away possession too often - well that is surely the case. BUT when it became apparent that it happens like this, I would have liked to see some kind of solution to the issue. Instead of just keep banging head against the same wall with zero change. I was eager to see how we could do with Kulu and Madders playing both "no 10" role and having basically 2 strikers and 2 AM's as we had 0 capable wingers in last 1/3 of the season. But we still kept trying same crap with no change so that is 100% on Ange. He is responsible for setting up team, coming up with solutions and finding ways to get results.
My neighbour is a Barcode nutter he always says to me "let's talk about injury lists".Their back ups absolutely destroyed us up there.That is down to coaching.
 
Yeah you are spot on with your recent posts regarding this subject.

I'm baffled about the outcry around all this too. We as a fanbase are quite right to hold rivalry above winning one fucking football match which really wasn't guaranteeing us anything but would have caused us years of gloating from our biggest rival.

It's not like we've turned up in our droves this season not actively supporting the club on every occasion. It's just making a story out of something and trying to cause a drama. Like you quite rightly say, every other fan of their club would have acted the same but because it unfortunately was us it happened to involve it seems to be more of a drama.
Once again (!) the match if drawn or won would have guaranteed us Europa League

I get you don't think that is worth supporting for vs the rivalry.

But it's wrong to say there was nothing riding on the match for Tottenham. Factually wrong.

Chelsea have an easy home fixture this weekend. We have an easy away fixture. But we're shite ...
 
What? Playing less games and having more time to train is now BAD THING ? Now I've heard it all.
It is pretty universally accepted that the more games you play, more difficult it is. Listen to Klopp, Pep or whoevers comments.

No, I think having big gaps between games can 100% affect match sharpness. You can't replicate game like situations in training. It's impossible.

Klopp and Pep don't moan at the amount of games. They moan at the schedule of playing mid week then lunch time on a Saturday.

It's not an excuse. But I don't think playing less games was meant to make us somewhat better performers or more competitive.

Injuries are very comfortable excuse to hide behind. In some moments ofc they impacted us - like when we did not have a single senior CB specialist available. But in terms of injuries, we have been like 6th or 7th most impacted team.

Who above us has had worse injuries than us?

Not interested in teams below us.

In terms of attackers being wasteful and giving away possession too often - well that is surely the case. BUT when it became apparent that it happens like this, I would have liked to see some kind of solution to the issue.

The solution is buying better players that suit.

The whole point of THIS season was nailing down the basics. Drilling that through the whole team through repititon over and over again.

By doing so, you see who's capable over a 38 game period. And by the end of it, you get rid of those who cannot do it and you're left with those who can.

Instead of just keep banging head against the same wall with zero change.

See point above. Repetition. Repititon Reptition.

Postecoglou wants to change the entire culture of the club. He isn't going to know if the players are all in if within a few months, he changes it up.

He wants to see that if you're in an uncomfortable situation or a sticky moment, youre still going to try and play brave and not just pass it back or knock it long to get it away.

It's no surprise that now the season is coming to an end, he's likely got an idea of who has zero future here, who has and is now trying different things. The false 9 against City. Van de Ven at left back. Kulusevski playing LW etc.

Maybe that's the wrong way of doing things. But it's worked for him everywhere he's been. So I guess we should probably give him the benefit of the doubt.

I was eager to see how we could do with Kulu and Madders playing both "no 10" role and having basically 2 strikers and 2 AM's as we had 0 capable wingers in last 1/3 of the season. But we still kept trying same crap with no change so that is 100% on Ange. He is responsible for setting up team, coming up with solutions and finding ways to get results.

I think my comments above tie in to all this tbh.

The season was a test for the entire squad. To see if they could keep up his vision for a season, when things got tough if they could keep it up, playing the same way, not shy away from it.

I reckon a fair few failed.

I cannot wait for the summer.
 
Foundations of the club and way it is run are there to be questioned. 20+ yrs with one minor trophy says it all. Transfer windows where no money was spent at all says it all. Serial winning managers who have won everywhere except Spurs says it all. Selling your best striker in decades and considering Richy an adequate replacement says it all. Dearest tickets in the premiership with not a lot to show for it says it all. Screwing over your long term supporting pensioners days it all. Giving yourself multiple raises despite all the above says it all.
But it's the managers fault every time......says it all.
 
Foundations of the club and way it is run are there to be questioned. 20+ yrs with one minor trophy says it all. Transfer windows where no money was spent at all says it all. Serial winning managers who have won everywhere except Spurs says it all. Selling your best striker in decades and considering Richy an adequate replacement says it all. Dearest tickets in the premiership with not a lot to show for it says it all. Screwing over your long term supporting pensioners days it all. Giving yourself multiple raises despite all the above says it all.
But it's the managers fault every time......says it all.

Is this meant to be a poem?
 
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