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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Yet is it so authoritarian under Ange that no one could even speak out and challenge Ange for a meaningful discussion


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How are you claiming to know that then?
 
Its when the 15/16 side clicked and will take us up to the October international break this season. You compared the 2 seasons. Clearly we arent going to agree on this though so just going round in circles.

I was just curious as to why 7.

But if it was when that team clicked, what if this team clicks after 10, why not compare then? or make it reasonable for both and say after 19 games which is half a season?
 
Still unconvinced.

I’m so conflicted because we simply can’t keep twisting. At some point we have to stick.

Trouble is he seems like a bit of a dick when things aren’t going his way. And perfectly unprepared to compromise.

However I do get that practice makes perfect and we’re only 4 games deep with the current squad. But I just don’t think we have the quality in the 1st XI and on the bench to bring his philosophy to a successful reality. Particularly in the front 3.

I’ll admit I’d rather watch aggressive, attacking front foot football which we’re closer to now than at any point in the last 5 years. However, although we’re aggressive out of possession we seem very flaccid once we get the ball. Still too timid for the Ange brand of football I think.

I guess I’m closer giving up on the personality rather than the style of football
 
Fucking hell you guys are quick to turn on a manager. After the Newcastle game there was a thread where most were in agreement that the performances merited more than what we have got in the first 3 games.

Was today really that bad? Yes we were toothless in attack again and had another lapse in concentration to concede a set piece goal but it was a very tight game. Some people are turning on Solanke too after just two games and having not played for a month.
It isn’t just two games though is it?

13pts from the last 12. Only results have been against two relegated teams and Forest & Everton. Mid table form since those halcyon days of early last season.

Thing is, I’m sure none of us wants the psychodrama of yet another managerial change BUT Ange’s Spurs are so easy to both work out and play against. Against this you also have the ‘hipster’ cult surrounding him - thinking there’s some special alchemy that’s gonna click very very soon. It’s arrogant to come to the PL and think you don’t have to have a Plan B (or C or D etc).

The reason so many of us here and in the ground today are worried and critical is that we can’t see him changing or even tweaking things. Just the same predictable attacking ‘phases’ and even more predictable conceding of goals
 
It isn’t just two games though is it?

13pts from the last 12. Only results have been against two relegated teams and Forest & Everton. Mid table form since those halcyon days of early last season.

Thing is, I’m sure none of us wants the psychodrama of yet another managerial change BUT Ange’s Spurs are so easy to both work out and play against. Against this you also have the ‘hipster’ cult surrounding him - thinking there’s some special alchemy that’s gonna click very very soon. It’s arrogant to come to the PL and think you don’t have to have a Plan B (or C or D etc).

The reason so many of us here and in the ground today are worried and critical is that we can’t see him changing or even tweaking things. Just the same predictable attacking ‘phases’ and even more predictable conceding of goals
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It’s an interesting case study in magical thinking.
 
It’s just bollocks.

No one gets to say things like that. He’s a real example of ‘if you’re going to talk shit, make sure it’s as ridiculous as possible so no one notices’.

He’s taking the piss.
33 seconds of what the entire problem is with this guy.

Delusional, arrogant, incompetent, narcissistic.

Writes funny-money cheques in a league where they can't be cashed, then passive aggressively lashes out when challenged on his fraud.

Haven't watched a presser/post match from him in ages.

Actually, hardly any since the City game.

I was that fucking disgusted with him.
 
Fucking hell you guys are quick to turn on a manager. After the Newcastle game there was a thread where most were in agreement that the performances merited more than what we have got in the first 3 games.

Was today really that bad? Yes we were toothless in attack again and had another lapse in concentration to concede a set piece goal but it was a very tight game. Some people are turning on Solanke too after just two games and having not played for a month.
We weren't toothless in attack. We didn't attack once at their pen area.

That's on Ange.
 
Always short term though innit.

Conte to Ange got a short term improvement too. Then reality hits and the truth is there are no quick fixes.
The really galling thing is that Arteta had 3 shit seasons and narrowly avoided the sack saveral times before coming good.

I'm not sure if Ange will come good, but I don't think we'll ever find a manager that will work a miracle from day 1. We need to learn to stick with managers for a while.
 
Fucking hell you guys are quick to turn on a manager. After the Newcastle game there was a thread where most were in agreement that the performances merited more than what we have got in the first 3 games.

Was today really that bad? Yes we were toothless in attack again and had another lapse in concentration to concede a set piece goal but it was a very tight game. Some people are turning on Solanke too after just two games and having not played for a month.
Alot of us have been saying hes out of his depth for months.
 
I really think the Ange’s tactics have unnerved a lot of our players. Whenever we have to make a decision on the ball the lads seem to be more worried about the consequences of giving it away (because of the huge spaces behind us) than they are about creating a chance to score. It leads to constant hesitation, dawdling and players passing sideways.

In those first 10 games, when opponents were surprised by us, we played with freedom. Now we seem to play with real fear after losing so many games and being roasted on the break so many times.


I think some small adjustments to our tactics can mitigate that. Do we really need both FBs to push high and invert, leaving our CBs with no passing options? Can we not drop our defensive line back 10 yards and give Son just a bit more space to run into? All managers are stubborn but the best ones also make adjustments when required. It’s clear our players can’t execute the current tactics the way Ange wants.
You win Post of the Day.
 
The really galling thing is that Arteta had 3 shit seasons and narrowly avoided the sack saveral times before coming good.

I'm not sure if Ange will come good, but I don't think we'll ever find a manager that will work a miracle from day 1. We need to learn to stick with managers for a while.
You're right that sometimes you do need to stick with managers and get through the rough patch to see the long term vision come together. But for every 1 manager that works out for, you get 10 where when they finally do get sacked, you wonder how on earth it took so long for them to lose their job. Unfortunately stories like Fergie and Arteta are the exception, not the rule.
 
That's what belief and conviction actually means though. Sticking to something when the easiest thing to do is lose belief and conviction.
This post has made me do something no one, AFAIK, has done before: reconsider their position based on someone else's opinion on the internet.

You're not wrong. Fergie was given time (a lot). Klopp was given time. Consistency and commitment is vital. Belief is contagious. I like Ange, the players like him, they were clearly trying, but something was missing.

I'm back to thinking it will come.

Pat yourself on the back. You've earned it.
 
This post has made me do something no one, AFAIK, has done before: reconsider their position based on someone else's opinion on the internet.

You're not wrong. Fergie was given time (a lot). Klopp was given time. Consistency and commitment is vital. Belief is contagious. I like Ange, the players like him, they were clearly trying, but something was missing.

I'm back to thinking it will come.

Pat yourself on the back. You've earned it.

delusion is contagious
 
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