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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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TomHotspur said:
The current version of Son wouldn’t start for City, Woolwich, Liverpool, Chelsea.

Even VDV, as athletically amazing as he is, is still very green when it comes to defending and has a lot to learn still.

I know he gets a lot of flack, and some of it is of course deserved, but I genuinely think Romero is the only player we have that would start for other top sides in the Premier League. He is the only player we have that I think genuinely would start for City.
Porro tbf to him too is a technically excellent player and would arguably start for other top sides.

All the others though? I really believe all others wouldn’t start for the Newcastle’s and Villas of the Premier League, never mind the other big 6 sides.

If we finish 8/9th the outrage towards Postecoglou would reach a crescendo but it really is where we are in terms of the quality of our players.
Anything above that would be overachieving.
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can't agree with you about finishing 8/9th, if we had beat Palace & Ipswich 2 duff sides without a win we would be in the top 3
and whyshould we not beat them, out players are much better than them, the problem is the managers ONE tactic (he will never change that, because he is a duffer) and the players not up for it ( once again no the manager aswell as the player himself)
 
HampshireSpur said:
One things for sure whether you’re Ange in or out this guy needs to be binned off. Bloke has a working IQ of about 30.

“Well Ange we lost 4-1 today, but what did you think of that passing move leading up to our goal?”
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He’s the ultimate Levy employee this one. It’s embarrassing trying to frame the defeat as because we got back from Turkey at 2am. What a pathetic question. He should be absolutely binned off. He sums up the state of the club. Cringe worthy wanker
 
le grand coq said:
Get the disappointment today & knives may be out for Ange but let's be honest the simple fact is the squad while decent is not top 4 quality.
Man City, Liverpool, Woolwich & Chelsea have much better & I expect them to finish top 4.

5th was a good showing last season & we almost got 4th.

In reality unless we overachieve or others underperform 5th to 8th is currently our level.
Us, Villa, Man U, Toon all have aspirations to finish top 4. Not a lot to choose between the squads imho
In reality 1 of us will finish 8th at best.
If a smaller club overperforms as can often happen maybe lower?

Prem league is getting tougher any aspirations to win it at the moment is a pipe dream.
I expect us to finish 5th to 8th under Ange & that's about right.
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Always the fcuking quality of the squad blah blah blah, as though you or anyone else really knows what that means, other than looking at the top 4 at any given moment.

For example we could have been top 4 had we beaten the mighty Ipswich yesterday and then?

So in effect take City out of the equation and then look at the other teams and their players.. Yes, some obvious examples of better players than ours but not all.

AllI know is that Postecoglou had been with us for a season and a quarter now and I see very little that resembles adding appreciable value to the extent where there would be a massive risk to us if he were dismissed.

I am not calling for him to be sacked but neither would I care if he was .
 
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HampshireSpur said:
One things for sure whether you’re Ange in or out this guy needs to be binned off. Bloke has a working IQ of about 30.

“Well Ange we lost 4-1 today, but what did you think of that passing move leading up to our goal?”
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He is horrendous

Actually hopeless, can barely string a sentence together and a complete shill , pathetic

Always looking for excuses and trying to kiss up to the manager

He genuinely triggers me..

I bet he's levy,s brother in law or something
 
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le grand coq said:
Get the disappointment today & knives may be out for Ange but let's be honest the simple fact is the squad while decent is not top 4 quality.
Man City, Liverpool, Woolwich & Chelsea have much better & I expect them to finish top 4.

5th was a good showing last season & we almost got 4th.

In reality unless we overachieve or others underperform 5th to 8th is currently our level.
Us, Villa, Man U, Toon all have aspirations to finish top 4. Not a lot to choose between the squads imho
In reality 1 of us will finish 8th at best.
If a smaller club overperforms as can often happen maybe lower?

Prem league is getting tougher any aspirations to win it at the moment is a pipe dream.
I expect us to finish 5th to 8th under Ange & that's about right.
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Hi LeParisien LeParisien
 
TonySoprano said:
He’s not a coach, he’s a manager. I’m told he does very little coaching he leaves that to his staff. All well and good if that works but it’s clearly not working here.
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Well - that's the problem there.
His youngish assistants are not up to par. NO wonder they are all floundering

But he doesntt manage well either. He brought up 1 sub after we equalised - then not until 82 min for 2 more.
 
erlee said:
Well - that's the problem there.
His youngish assistants are not up to par. NO wonder they are all floundering

But he doesntt manage well either. He brought up 1 sub after we equalised - then not until 82 min for 2 more.
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The whole coaching set up sums up the club really. Hastily cobbled together on the cheap. I'd be very suspicious next time of any manager that is happy to come on his own without a set coaching team. All feels very amateurish.
 
Sir Archibald Crooks said:
The whole coaching set up sums up the club really. Hastily cobbled together on the cheap. I'd be very suspicious next time of any manager that is happy to come on his own without a set coaching team. All feels very amateurish.
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We could have got Slot with his coaches but the release clause put us off, it was by the sounds of it £15m for him and his staff. Ange I think was our second target then De Zerbi I believe.

 
Sir Archibald Crooks said:
The whole coaching set up sums up the club really. Hastily cobbled together on the cheap. I'd be very suspicious next time of any manager that is happy to come on his own without a set coaching team. All feels very amateurish.
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Thank you. You are the only other poster I have seen make the point the entire coaching setup makes me suspicious. We trumpeted the 'data lead' approach on recruitment, and yet the coaches were mates, freinds, and whatever was around already.
 
Data led approach well we all know how that works


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Samisspurs said:
Because when we weirdly decide to play we can beat anyone. 3 of them in the Carabao and we have a cup. Everything has been chaotic under Ange, so wouldn't surprise me if we won and he even gets sacked.
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Yes.
So basically in total chaos you are betting on consistent turnup for 3 times in a row in one competition.

Basically saying that we don't have consistency - to win competition you need to have consistency in this one cup- and conclude that we "could win it" ? Weird conclusion to come to, but I appreciate optimism in such situation :D
 
Even if Slot had come here it wouldnt have changed anything, hed still get bought sub-standard players and be at a club with a loser mentality. The standard story for us of something costing a little too much (8th richest club in the world, new stadium built so we could "compete" etc) and therefore the powers in charge of the club pass on it and go for a cheaper option they HOPE will come good (a' la Poch). They tried the "experienced manager approach" and fucked that up too

Its genuinely depressing
 
le grand coq said:
Get the disappointment today & knives may be out for Ange but let's be honest the simple fact is the squad while decent is not top 4 quality.
Man City, Liverpool, Woolwich & Chelsea have much better & I expect them to finish top 4.

5th was a good showing last season & we almost got 4th.

In reality unless we overachieve or others underperform 5th to 8th is currently our level.
Us, Villa, Man U, Toon all have aspirations to finish top 4. Not a lot to choose between the squads imho
In reality 1 of us will finish 8th at best.
If a smaller club overperforms as can often happen maybe lower?

Prem league is getting tougher any aspirations to win it at the moment is a pipe dream.
I expect us to finish 5th to 8th under Ange & that's about right.
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We are absolutely handicapped by naive tactics from Ange that just makes everything harder for the players.

I'm not Romero's biggest fan but allowing him to go roaming whenever he wants and playing a high line where he doesn't even have the capability to get himself into the correct body position for the inevitable sprint with the opposition forward is handicapping us.

Playing a single pivot where Bissouma is asked to protect the same suicidal high line and inverted full backs by himself handicapped us.

Relying on VDV to win every sprint duel he's up against causing the inevitable injury is handicapping us.

Buying a 65m striker and playing a system where the striker has minimal assistance from the wide players in regards to creating chances is handicapping us. "Run around a lot mate and go looking for the ball" results in his second injury of the season when he's barely ever suffered from Injuries.

Buying a centre back who doesn't even suit the style of play you're trying to implement and then allowing the starting cb to make SIX direct errors leading to goals and not being able to take him out the firing line because you have zero faith in the CB you signed to cover is handicapping us.
 
What a hopeless club we are. Starting with the manager - it is the arrogance to never change the system, the lack of attention to detail particuraly on both attacking and defending set pieces, the novices we have on the coaching staff, the refusal to adapt to the opposition, the appalling in game management and the shockingly poor recruitment.
We have a handful of decent players but no great ones. We have this great ability to spend £30 - £60m on players who are simply not good enough. Any decent due diligence would have told us the Johnson, Richarlison, Porro, Madison etc are too lightweight and that Dragusin does not suit our system.
With European football this season our recruitment was negligent at best. The club seemed more focused on reducing the wage bill than on creating a team that could challenge for honours. I could go on and on. The club is a shambles.
It doesn't matter who the next manager is or who we sign in January or the summer. Nothing will change.
 
Sir Archibald Crooks said:
The whole coaching set up sums up the club really. Hastily cobbled together on the cheap. I'd be very suspicious next time of any manager that is happy to come on his own without a set coaching team. All feels very amateurish.
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I said from the start, or at least some point last season that the fact he's happy to come in and work with coaches like Mason and other "club coaches" shows the state of our set up.

We aren't a serious sports team / club. It's all completely amateurish. But it's made worse with Ange here.

I don't understand how a professional manager can come in without his own backroom specialists. Shouldn't he have coaches who are specialised and experienced in implementing his style of football and philosophy? I just don't understand it.
 
Stag said:
Even if Slot had come here it wouldnt have changed anything, hed still get bought sub-standard players and be at a club with a loser mentality. The standard story for us of something costing a little too much (8th richest club in the world, new stadium built so we could "compete" etc) and therefore the powers in charge of the club pass on it and go for a cheaper option they HOPE will come good (a' la Poch). They tried the "experienced manager approach" and fucked that up too

Its genuinely depressing
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There's been one constant during this whole mess and gradually more and more fans are realising until there's changes at the top , things will continue limping along
 
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