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what a load of crap. Suggesting performances on the pitch has nothing to do with owner is laughable. Even if that is true, who employed Ange? It’s Levy’s responsibility. 18 managers in 20 years - says a lot.

Yeah what does Levy have to do with us not improving the first team and falling behind as a result?
Simon Jordan is talking rubbish. What match did he watch? But for Cucurella twice slipping there wouldn't have even been an early lead to talk about. The midfield was wide open all match. What exactly is Jordan advocating? How much additional time does it take to see that Levy is a good businessman who doesn't prioritize football and Postecoglou is a manager who has risen to a level where his theories don't and won't work. Spurs are rudderless.
 
Simon Jordan is talking rubbish. What match did he watch? But for Cucurella twice slipping there wouldn't have even been an early lead to talk about. The midfield was wide open all match. What exactly is Jordan advocating? How much additional time does it take to see that Levy is a good businessman who doesn't prioritize football and Postecoglou is a manager who has risen to a level where his theories don't and won't work. Spurs are rudderless.
It baffles me that people actually think Simon Jordan has anything interesting to say.
 
So Ange is responsible for Udogie not giving his all on the pitch? For going into challenges half-hearted? For not tracking back like a madman after he's made a shitty pass to the oppo near their box? For going to ground or opening the door to Neto/Palmer when any 6yo kid knows you gotta stay on your feet and take him towards the byline/on weaker foot?

Cause weirdly, Porro, who's also a FB under Ange, seems to have no problem putting a shift in week in week out. He can't defend for squat, but at least he works hard for the team. You don't see him give up like Udogie, Biss or Johnson do.

Are Ange & his coaches to blame for the system, lack of in-game management etc? Yes. But it's not their fault some of our lads are lazy as fuck and don't care about the shirt they're wearing.
Nah Jay you're just justifiably mad. I've watched the exact same crap from Porro. Out of position ambling back.. not even trying to block. This is coaching. Because coaching isn't all about telling a player what you want from him.

Ange admits he does not belive particularly in the utility of defending, he is not bothered about conceding five goals if we score seven this is his admitted ETHOS. This is why you're getting half assed defence because if Ange does not see it as vital or treat it as such, why would Udogie who is what 21, or Mickey or Sarr. He sets the temperature for these kids, Ange has to change or no matter how many new players you give him it will not change.
 
Had a night off last night - too dejected and fucked off to be on here. Its been said so many times but this is the beginning of the end for Ange (rightly or wrongly) and we have seen it so many times before.

Our summer transfer window was ridiculous - getting rid of older pros like Hojberg and getting three teens with fuck all top level experience in was utterly baffling without some more experienced starters to go with them. No top winger and no top number 6 which I thought were an absolute necessity to even stay where we were in 5th. We fucked it up AGAIN.
This is all down to Levy scrimping on wages, buying one starter in Solanke for big money does not cut it with the state of our squad.
However, I have serious doubts about Ange now. With what hes been given and the squad we have though young theres no way on earth we should be where we are in the league having lost 7 games. Its pathetic. We can blame injuries and individual errors all we want - the buck stops with the manager and his tactics.
What I saw last night was a headless chicken team that is only good when it presses the fuck out of the opposition and forces errors and goals. You cannot play this way for 90 mins a game every fucking game 3 times a week, its completely unsustainable. We all know this so why doesn't he? How many hamstring injuries and defeats does it take to get this?
When we don't or can't press relentlessly we get beaten - its that simple. There is zero control over any game, our tactics don't change in game and we never ever learn how to adapt and take breathers, get together and tighten up for even ten fucking minutes to get a hold of a game we are leading in the first half last night being a case in point. Fucking two nil up early and we continued to make it a basketball game, soul destroying honestly.
All this comes down to Ange and if after 18 months in charge he can't change this AT ALL he is not the man.
Pointless sacking him now imho although I fully expect another couple of defeats before Christmas.

Rangers and Manu are must wins to save his job and I am even questioning whether a cup run is good enough now to keep him long term. We are getting worse and worse.
Well summed up
 
We just spend it badly !!
We do often spend it badly, but it's still a mischaracterization to try and blame this all on ENIC.

Bissouma might not be a CL midfielder. He also might be. I don't know because at Spurs he's only ever played for a charlatan manager. But he was such a standout performer for Brighton that we bought him - and now Brighton are above us.

Brennan Johnson was such a standout performer for Forest that we paid £50M for him. Now Forest are above us.

Solanke was so good at Bournemouth that we paid £65M for him. Now Bournemouth are above us.

In 3 successive summers we've bought the most promising talent on 3 bottom table or yoyo clubs, and now we've seen them all pass us up. That's not on the board, that's on the manager and the players.

The evidence that Ange cannot manage at this level - that his system will not work at this level and that he is too tactically inflexible to succeed here - has piled up now. The only evidence that he could succeed is buried in his first 2 months, where we piled up enough points to paper over the cracks of the disaster that last season was.

We have been shit, truly shit, for 13 calendar months now. If we don't move on from him now, we're headed for our worst season since Ramos.

There's too many managers in the PL doing more with less for us to persist with this failed experiment.
 
We do often spend it badly, but it's still a mischaracterization to try and blame this all on ENIC.

Bissouma might not be a CL midfielder. He also might be. I don't know because at Spurs he's only ever played for a charlatan manager. But he was such a standout performer for Brighton that we bought him - and now Brighton are above us.

Brennan Johnson was such a standout performer for Forest that we paid £50M for him. Now Forest are above us.

Solanke was so good at Bournemouth that we paid £65M for him. Now Bournemouth are above us.

In 3 successive summers we've bought the most promising talent on 3 bottom table or yoyo clubs, and now we've seen them all pass us up. That's not on the board, that's on the manager and the players.

The evidence that Ange cannot manage at this level - that his system will not work at this level and that he is too tactically inflexible to succeed here - has piled up now. The only evidence that he could succeed is buried in his first 2 months, where we piled up enough points to paper over the cracks of the disaster that last season was.

We have been shit, truly shit, for 13 calendar months now. If we don't move on from him now, we're headed for our worst season since Ramos.

There's too many managers in the PL doing more with less for us to persist with this failed experiment.
I read your post.

Season 20 Fire GIF by The Simpsons
 
We overpay for players who aren't top level and we do that because we refuse to pay top level wages.

The club is run by a property investment firm and we operate like a property investment firm.The model is to look for assets that aren't top level but could be and then hopefully flip them later.

The issue is that we charge high end rent, whether the asset is high end or not and we also end up keeping hold of most of the assets that never become high end.

We spend a lot but it's fake spending.
Lol, what a load of complete rubbish. This is the problem with preconceived notions, and fabricating opinions/analysis to fit them.

The brief on Levy has always been that he's a tight git and ball-buster to negotiate with who has often tanked transfer deals because he was too inflexible and demanded low fees.

Now you're saying that man is spending more than necessary on 2nd rate players so that it looks on paper like the club is spending a responsible amount on the playing squad?

Utter nonsense, and even if it were true what would be the fucking point? That would be beyond not being overly interested in the results. The only motive behind doing such a thing would be to intentionally hamper the football club.

We've spent poorly, for reasons related to the grain of truth sand in your post - we prioritize signing cheaper and younger players with high potential over chasing the signature of players who are already Tier 1.

You correctly point out that this is largely related to our spending plan which limits our wage bill to ±50% of revenue. We need to hike this up to ±60% of revenue to be seriously competitive.

But, even with increased spending in fees and wages, we'll struggle to sign Tier 1 players. Liverpool and Woolwich, for example, generally prioritize similar philosophies as we have. They focus on signing quality young players with high potential, but generally beat us to the best signings because of slightly higher wages and demonstrated success on the pitch and in player development.
 
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Lol, what a load of complete rubbish. This is the problem with preconceived notions, and fabricating opinions/analysis to fit them.

The brief on Levy has always been that he's a tight git and ball-buster to negotiate with who has often tanked transfer deals because he was too inflexible and demanded low fees.

Now you're saying that man is spending more than necessary on 2nd rate players so that it looks on paper like the club is spending a responsible amount on the playing squad?

Utter nonsense, and even if it were true what would be the fucking point? That would be beyond not being overly interested in the results. The only motive behind doing such a thing would be to intentionally hamper the football club.

We've spent poorly, for reasons related to the grain of truth sand in your post - we prioritize signing cheaper and younger players with high potential over chasing the signature of players who are already Tier 1.

You correctly point out that this is largely related to our spending plan which limits our wage bill to ±50% of revenue. We need to hike this up to ±60% of revenue to be seriously competitive.

But, even with increased spending in fees and wages, we'll struggle to sign Tier 1 players. Liverpool and Woolwich, for example, generally prioritize similar philosophies as we have. They focus on signing quality young players with high potential, but generally beat us to the signings because of wages and demonstrated success on the pitch and in player development.

"Pay and they will come" ALWAYS ignores this very real factor.
 
Simon Jordan is talking rubbish. What match did he watch? But for Cucurella twice slipping there wouldn't have even been an early lead to talk about. The midfield was wide open all match. What exactly is Jordan advocating? How much additional time does it take to see that Levy is a good businessman who doesn't prioritize football and Postecoglou is a manager who has risen to a level where his theories don't and won't work. Spurs are rudderless.
I wouldn’t say Cucarella’s 2nd slip was responsible as there was a hell of a lot to do before the goal was scored and he was well back in defence by then.
 
Is the system and poor training by the coaching staff leading to all these errors though?
A paper thin squad is certainly not helping things, you look at players other teams have to bring on and then look at ours and it's like an u16 team.

Every coach that comes here has to operate with one hand tied behind their back, 14 managers in 25 yrs says it all, about 18 months life time, but yeah it's always the manager that's blamed.
 
"Pay and they will come" ALWAYS ignores this very real factor.
Depends on the level of player. Established top level players will generally go where the highest wage is. Winning is nice, but it's not something they're generally going to "pay out of their own pocket" (i.e. take significantly lower wages) for.

Early career developing players (at least the smart ones), on the other hand, realize the contract they sign at 20-22 is not the one they'll live off the rest of their life. Picking a club at 20-22 is about picking the club that can take you from a promising talent to hopefully World Class - not just by developing you properly but also by showcasing you.

We used to excell at that, which is why we got players like Modric and Eriksen. We've done a poor job of that recently, and since then manager post turned into a revolving door circus it's hard to blame players for not signing up to put their career in our hands.

Johnson, Odobert, and Bergvall will set the tone for the next generation - if the next manager can make them elite players we'll have a lot better success courting young talents. And maybe we'll take care of the winning trophies bit too.
 
what a load of crap. Suggesting performances on the pitch has nothing to do with owner is laughable. Even if that is true, who employed Ange? It’s Levy’s responsibility. 18 managers in 20 years -
Absolutely spot on. There's a few proper cownshoe's who regularly peddle this nonsense in the ENIC thread after every abysmal performance and defeat.
 
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