Your analysis is all based on 1 game. If it was a once off thered be no problem. But everyone knew what would happen yesterday. We've been found out months and months ago but nothing has changed
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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I still would take a lower half finish for a trophy.
Levy has turned down major January reinforcements when we have been flying at Christmas but strangely enough, I almost feel like he might be more likely to make some when we are in trouble.
That is so damming. Only 1 more goal scored for this balls out, all attacking (frankly playground) approach than the man with the handbrake on.
What’s Guardiola and Amorin over the same period?
Got to be similar.
Is that their level too? Are we saying Pep is done?
Amorin is not up to the job? Not even getting a new manager bounce!
Everyone knew what would happen this season before a ball had even been kicked. Only 3CBs, 69 games. We struggled last season with 41.
You didn’t need to be mystic Meg to see we’d be fucked if even one of them was crocked.
Ange in for the rest of the season IMO, no viable alternatives at the moment...let's see if he can turn it round, if he can't then change in the Summer.
I'm not having no Ryan Mason managing this club for the rest of the season sorry, you can do one and anyone that wants that is an impatient fool who doesn't want the best for this club.
I'm not having no Ryan Mason managing this club for the rest of the season sorry, you can do one and anyone that wants that is an impatient fool who doesn't want the best for this club.
Totally different scenarios. City are engulfed in an off-field crisis that could see them being relegated and titles stripped away. Their only good midfielder is out for the season and they always had a poor record without him even when they were on top. They are an ageing team at the end of a cycle.
United are just shit, Amorim needs some time to change that awful squad. They have wasted hundreds of millions on shit ex-Ajax players.
Ange has been here for 18 months, stacked the squad with his signings yet we still can’t keep a clean sheet. We can’t win away from home. We can’t create chances against a stubborn defence, etc. We are getting worse and worse as time goes on. He is using injuries as his excuse but like Ten Hag that will not work forever. Everyone in football can see how badly organised this team is.
Who’d have thought being head of the City Group’s amusement park division wouldn’t translate to running a football club in the PL!
How are you pardoning Manchester fucking city and Pep and making allowances for them because they're missing one player yet pure firmly sticking it to Ange and haven't acknowledged that he's missing half his squad, what are we actually doing here?
Davies may well stay on tho. He is well liked it seems
Mason got us to a cup final in his first stint , put some respect on his name!
Because it IS a completely different situation lmao.
City are at the end of a cycle. The squad is exhausted having won everything there is to win. He’s been there for years. Every manager (other than fergie) has a cycle. The off field stuff is obviously impacting them.
It’s not JUST the injuries for City - although they don’t just have one injury at all. They’ve had massive success and now that cycle of success is over.
It’s less fucking tolerable the second season in to a reign minus all the success. We’ve fast forwarded to all the shit. Ange isn’t at the end of a cycle, he’s just a crap manager.
It would honestly be hard for Mason to do any worse than Ange is currently doing. Like you could stick a fan in as coach and probably get similar results.
Backing him would be disastrous, maybe if there are transfers that are done with his sign off yes but no players that he himself wants.
Sorry this is the team that everyone expected to win the league at the start of the season, they're currently on a run on 1 win in 14 matches with one of the best squads in Europe and the best manager, I sorry what have I missed?
There's actually a lot of similarities between Pep and Ange notably that both managers are stubborn and won't change their philosophies, Pep could easily get them to sit in a mid block and cull the pressing and they would be winning more matches, Ange could do something similar...both in that respect are doing terrible jobs.
A completely pointless change that doesn't prove anything, it's a short term shot in the arm for over emotional fans who haven't thought about the consequences of sacking this manager, not having it sorry.
It's the main reason that I can't hit the Ange out button yet, at least not until there's a real threat of relegation. Not that I for one minute really believe he will drive us on to win the EL - there are better coached, mentally stronger teams than us in the competition - but intrigue is currently getting the better of me. I want to see if this overblown strep-throat navel-gazer and our weird assembly of misfits can actually go full Dodgeball and do it. Like one of those 'science' experiments you do as kids when the teacher's not looking and you grab any old combination of chemicals to hand and pour them into a beaker to see if they explode.
Also,
Shadydan
is right: who exactly is going to come in at this stage? Who's out there? I'm all for a really good manager who isn't such an idealist as Ange nor as stone-cold a pragmatist like Conte, but I have zero idea if such a person is currently available.What I wrote before stands; I don't personally care if he stays or goes. But will the players be happy with his departure? There are a fair few things to consider here. It's not as simple as chucking something in the bin and shouting "next!".
I mean it wouldn't...buying better players for the club is the best thing to do...when he does get sacked you hire a manager in line with the clubs philosophy and approach to recruitment.
It's actually beyond a coincidence that both teams are struggling hard, with remarkably similar tactical issues being exposed because - for different reasons - they can't maintain a level of physical dominance.
Pep because they are either burnt out or off-cycle PEDs (most likely both)
Ange because he doesn't have the depth to be physically dominant when key players are overplayed or injured.
The consequence is exactly the same for both where the system is easy to play through and chaotic.