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Has VAR Ruined Football?

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glacierSpurs said:
Unless there is a chip implanted on every's players' shoulders, there is no way the image can tell who is ahead of who in that tight frame. If they drew it with some non-human calculations, they have to reveal the coordinates. Everything is so inconclusive they just seem to guess along the way, yet they are not giving the benefit of doubt.
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But the calibrated software they use does that.
Do you really think they do what you have done and somehow draw things on with a ruler, from not the correct point in 2D ?
Unfortunately the graphics used in Carabao Cup were nowhere near as good as used in Premier League, but the system behind it is the same
 
glacierSpurs said:
Unless there is a chip implanted on every's players' shoulders, there is no way the image can tell who is ahead of who in that tight frame. If they drew it with some non-human calculations, they have to reveal the coordinates. Everything is so inconclusive they just seem to guess along the way, yet they are not giving the benefit of doubt.
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And you can't score with the leading part of your shoulder anyway, it would be handball - you need to judge it from the upper part of his torso and Alexander-Arnold's body isn't aligned in the same way.
 
Trotter said:
But the calibrated software they use does that.
Do you really think they do what you have done and somehow draw things on with a ruler, from not the correct point in 2D ?
Unfortunately the graphics used in Carabao Cup were nowhere near as good as used in Premier League, but the system behind it is the same
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Of course not. But like I mentioned, if their system is so sophisticated, then they have to present and justify with data/coordinates to prove it in real time.

The semi-automated offside system is convincing enough, so is the goal-line technology, because they presented themselves in quick, standard protocol of data and graphics that have no deviations in all the calls.

Yet the often long verification time and varying degrees of judgment are the total opposite of what we have heard and seen from what VAR promised after soooo many years. And the frustrating thing is they don't seem to see it as an issue and want to improve on it. While we have jokers like Webb or Dermot coming on every now and then explaining to us like we are all idiots.
 
glacierSpurs said:
So I have too much time while I am nursing my flu and I feel Solanke's goals should definitely have stood. But as soon as I saw Tierny's face last night at the VAR I knew he was trying fucking hard to invalidate the goal. See his hand gesture and the facial expression of the assistant official looking like he's doubting the decision a bit:



But worse was the inaccurate ruling from the lines. The pixelation itself was a benefit of the doubt. It's atrocious in terms of video quality for a VAR standard. But we can still see the field lines segmentations. It wouldn't be defined, so the drawing of the lines wouldn't and shouldn't be as well. Actually it doesn't even take drawing of lines to already see Solanke was onside.



So as seen here with what I have done in Photoshop, the blue line is what the demarcation of the segments on the field. Parallel to the blue line was the green line drawn right up to the toe of the Liverpool defender. See how Solanke was soooo onside. ONLY Werner was offside there.



It has to take a parallax error drawn as shown in red line in order to show Solanke was offside. AND THAT'S WHAT VAR DID. WE can sort of see the lines joined at the far side and became separated at the nearside. RIDICULOUS. And the drawing of the lines down from the shoulders was just hazarding a guess all along, I AM DAMN SURE. They are not be able to tell from there.



It's a terrible standard of officiating. Any Photoshop user can do a better job than those useless refs. Parallel lines don't meet, and that angle wasn't even converging to have the lines so close as the far side.
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You're spot on mate. The tech isn't correct and it never has been. They seem to be imposing a crude system of orthographic projection (parallel lines) onto a perspective/lens-distorted image (converging lines), which can rarely produce a 100% accurate result. Like the proverbial broken clock they can be right twice a day, but that leaves 1,438 occasions where they have the potential to be wrong - and they are.

Oh and it's being operated by monkeys.
 
Trotter said:
No exception

if the defender is on the 6 yard box and stops a likely goal by ball hitting his arm/hand where it is in expected natural position for his movement, without any intent, no penalty.
Where it is outside natural position and stops goal, but unintentional , would be penalty and yellow card
Where on rare occasion player intentionally stops the ball with hand, dives for example to stop a goal, would be penalty and red card.
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Thanks for clarifying.

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mummy said:
What a tosspot.

I didn't need you to tag me for no good reason in that 'snotpot' 'I'm better than you' way you have. Back on ignore you go. Do your worst, I won't see it.
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You asked a question, another poster clarified it because I didn’t know. I don’t get any credit.

What a strange and dis regulated post. I guess I was right.
 
van Dijk was also lucky to be on the pitch after this tackle on Solanke


View: https://x.com/ONE_AMN/status/1877106054556725373


View: https://x.com/ONE_AMN/status/1877106054556725373

https://www.givemesport.com/footage-virgil-van-dijk-foul-var-red-card-liverpool-spurs/
As the replay shows, Solanke clearly had the ball under control and Van Dijk comes in from behind with his studs high, pressing down on the Tottenham forward's calf. Per FA Law 12, S1 and S2 a player can be sent off for 'serious foul play' and 'violent conduct'.

With Van Dijk clearly not close to the ball and with his studs raking down the back of Solanke's leg, there could certainly be a case made for a red card. It will serve as a major source of frustration for Spurs fans then that VAR failed to even check the potentially dismissable offence.
 
Pathfinder said:
van Dijk was also lucky to be on the pitch after this tackle on Solanke


View: https://x.com/ONE_AMN/status/1877106054556725373


View: https://x.com/ONE_AMN/status/1877106054556725373

https://www.givemesport.com/footage-virgil-van-dijk-foul-var-red-card-liverpool-spurs/
As the replay shows, Solanke clearly had the ball under control and Van Dijk comes in from behind with his studs high, pressing down on the Tottenham forward's calf. Per FA Law 12, S1 and S2 a player can be sent off for 'serious foul play' and 'violent conduct'.

With Van Dijk clearly not close to the ball and with his studs raking down the back of Solanke's leg, there could certainly be a case made for a red card. It will serve as a major source of frustration for Spurs fans then that VAR failed to even check the potentially dismissable offence.
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You know it’s bad when Woolwich twitter accounts are coming to our defence 😂
 
Pathfinder said:
van Dijk was also lucky to be on the pitch after this tackle on Solanke


View: https://x.com/ONE_AMN/status/1877106054556725373


View: https://x.com/ONE_AMN/status/1877106054556725373

https://www.givemesport.com/footage-virgil-van-dijk-foul-var-red-card-liverpool-spurs/
As the replay shows, Solanke clearly had the ball under control and Van Dijk comes in from behind with his studs high, pressing down on the Tottenham forward's calf. Per FA Law 12, S1 and S2 a player can be sent off for 'serious foul play' and 'violent conduct'.

With Van Dijk clearly not close to the ball and with his studs raking down the back of Solanke's leg, there could certainly be a case made for a red card. It will serve as a major source of frustration for Spurs fans then that VAR failed to even check the potentially dismissable offence.
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Judging by the worse than SD images of the VAR, they probably be still dumping the tape to evaluate that foul.
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VirginiaSpur said:
The rule has always been inconsistently applied.

The only time they tried to crack down on it and enforce a level standard a couple of years ago resulted in Man U and Liverpool intentionally shooting the ball at arms and elbows ad nauseum. Half the time you could see Salah and Bruno Fernandes not even looking at the goal, but scanning for arms.
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VAR should have advised the referee on these occasions that it was probably a deliberate attempt to win a penalty then?

VAR was brought in to stop cheating.

If a defender stops a cross or a shot on target with his arm or hand it should be a penalty all day long; natural or so called unnatural positions should have nothing to do with it. We have entered Gary Neville's world by going down this natural or unnatural road.

Handball is handball first and foremost; deliberate or not. If the handball is deemed deliberate then the player should be booked. End of. If the ref or linesman spot a handball VAR should be asked to make the decision. The pitchside monitor takes too long. The game should carry on until VAR decides one way or the other. Allowing players to harass the referee was meant to be stopped by VAR and before the pitchside monitor it had.

The ambiguity and inconsistency in VAR administering the correct decision when these incidents occur is destroying the credibility of the Premier League in my opinion.
 
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Kosher Kid said:
VAR should have advised the referee on these occasions that it was probably a deliberate attempt to win a penalty then?

VAR was brought in to stop cheating.

If a defender stops a cross or a shot on target with his arm or hand it should be a penalty all day long; natural or so called unnatural positions should have nothing to do with it. We have entered Gary Neville's world by going down this natural or unnatural road.

Handball is handball first and foremost; deliberate or not. If the handball is deemed deliberate then the player should be booked. End of.

The ambiguity and inconsistency in VAR administering the correct decision when these incidents occur is destroying the credibility of the Premier League in my opinion.
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Someone made the point the other day that if Bergvall's pass had hit the ref, the ref would not have allowed Liverpool's attack resulting from that block to continue.

So how the fuck is stopping Bergvall's pass with a hand whether accidental or not deemed acceptable ?

Every game now is a minefield of interpretations and elastic rules bent any way the clowns in charge on the day see fit.
 
LeParisien said:
That’s not the rule. A goal scorer cannot benefit from their handball but otherwise it’s not problem as long as the handball isn’t a handball offence.
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The rule is wrong then.

Joelinton stopped the ball played by Bergval with his hand / arm. He gained a clear advantage from this handball which led directly to a goal. Allowing that goal to stand undermines the offence of handball regardless of the 'rule'.

Handball should be the rule the VAR follows not whether the handball was natural or unnatural.

If an advantage is gained from handling the ball then the current rule has to be wrong.
 
Maccer said:
Someone made the point the other day that if Bergvall's pass had hit the ref, the ref would not have allowed Liverpool's attack resulting from that block to continue.

So how the fuck is stopping Bergvall's pass with a hand whether accidental or not deemed acceptable ?

Every game now is a minefield of interpretations and elastic rules bent any way the clowns in charge on the day see fit.
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It's Gary Neville and his verbal diarrhea virus that has led to this shambles in my opinion.

This opinionated areshole has become the 21st century Jimmy Hill.

A gobshite who talks a good game but often talks a lot of crap too.

Sadly those running the game seem to listen to him and are often influenced by his rhetoric.

We deserve better.

I wish Prime could get all the top flight football so Stadium FX could be used to block the twat out during the game at least.
 
I think I’ve posted this before but var needs to go.
All we wanted was for mad obvious mistakes to be ruled out, for example Chelsea v Cardiff where the striker was easily a metre offside.
Before var nobody gave a fuck on tight offsides. It was part of the game.
They should have two seconds to check and that’s it.
 
simon j said:
I think I’ve posted this before but var needs to go.
All we wanted was for mad obvious mistakes to be ruled out, for example Chelsea v Cardiff where the striker was easily a metre offside.
Before var nobody gave a fuck on tight offsides. It was part of the game.
They should have two seconds to check and that’s it.
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I remember reading an article expressing exactly what we thought VAR would eradicate , namely the WTF moments in football like when the whole world saw the Zidane headbutt but the ref didn't.

But instead we got ruled out goals and ten minute waits for offside toenails.

I suppose the timeless message in life is if you give overly official little pricks too much power they will ruin things.

Always.
 
Kosher Kid said:
The rule is wrong then.

Joelinton stopped the ball played by Bergval with his hand / arm. He gained a clear advantage from this handball which led directly to a goal. Allowing that goal to stand undermines the offence of handball regardless of the 'rule'.

Handball should be the rule the VAR follows not whether the handball was natural or unnatural.

If an advantage is gained from handling the ball then the current rule has to be wrong.
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I generally agree wholeheartedly. I would love to see subjective use of VAR chucked in the bin.
I think what you're suggesting though opens the door to kicking the ball at players hands/arms in the penalty area scenario.
 
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