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Who Would You Choose Next?

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Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
Iraola is basically a regeneration of Poch with a smaller budget he's done so much more than Ange.
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Okay, it's not like Ange's CV is so impressive, but you really think he's done so much more in his 7 years of manager experience?

Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
He has also worked at a higher level. I think he's destined to coach Spurs and specifically to supercede Arteta's Woolwich in the process because their backgrounds. Its too perfect
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I can only assume you mean his work at Rayo Vallecano? I don't think this is really a higher level than what Ange has done.

Maybe its much easier to make a case for his system and ability to get more out of players than what Ange is showing capable of, but there's a lot of conjecture in that. I not saying I'm opposed to the idea of Iraola but just hard to really get excited about him at the same time.
 
MemphisWill said:
If Potter said we destroy managers' CVs, then he proved how shitty his judgement is and why he's now managing Spam.

Our last managers have gone on to manage PSG, Roma, Napoli, Chelsea, etc. They've all won trophies and competed in the CL at their next stops. Potter, again, is at fucking Spam.

Levy is a cunt, but there's a handful of jobs on the planet better than Tottenham - even with Levy. And the number of times those jobs come open, and that opening aligns with the moment a manager is peaking at a lesser club and therefore attractive, is very few and far between.

Most of those jobs are very unlikely to come open in the next 18 months. Frank is well paid, and seems happy. Iraola is making 1/5th of what he would make at Spurs.

Gambling that you'll still be a hot name 24-30 months from now when one of those handful of jobs better than Spurs comes open is a big risk. Iraola be sacrificing £4M next season.

None of the jobs that are arguably better than Spurs in the PL (Liverpool, Chelsea, City, United), La Liga (Madrid, Barcelona, Atletico), Serie A (Juventus, Inter), Bundesliga (Bayern), or Ligue 1 (PSG) look like they'll be open in the next 24 months.

So then you're looking at clubs in equivalent situations. Milan, Roma, Lyon, Everton, Dortmund, etc. Clubs where winning the EL is probably the most success you'll be able to achieve due to the financial position of the club in comparison to their direct league and European competition. Now, maybe not having to deal with Levy is worth managing one of those clubs instead. But none of those clubs are more (or less) likely a springboard to greater success than Spurs.
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Nuno was about 8th on the list Ange was some way down . So people do turn us down and it happens pretty frequently. The fact that Conte and Jose came , won fuck all ( unheard of anywhere else) left castigating the ownership is a toxic advert .
So Conte and Jose fail and rip into the club , Nuno is sacked within a few months and is now tearing it up at Forest , Ange is soon to fail having said whilst still employed the squad needed more help.
So our last 4 managers are the worst possible advert for working for Levy . I doubt in our history we have ever had such a run of either embarrassing and /or toxic departures .

I also doubt we have been a less attractive proposition in a very , very long time.
 
I don’t think it’s that bad of a job! Look at Iraola for example, doing a great job at Bournemouth but football is fickle, remember de zerbi who was hailed in similar vein at Brighton, ended up staying a bit too long and ended up at Marseille where he likely won’t get another shot at a big club!

Iraola could have a poor season next (all their talent will leave no doubt) and be forgotten about.

At spurs he will get a mega pay jump and a chance to work with a real quality young side! Without the pressure of Europe and being able to fully focus on domestic issues. If it doesn’t workout, then he can use “it’s Tottenham” and get another job. If he does well and wins something then he is a legend and can catapult himself to the biggest of teams around
 
MemphisWill said:
My money is on Iraola not chosing his next move until its settled that Valverde has a new contract at Bilbao. Once that's done, I'd expect him to join Spurs unless the new American owners at Everton convince him that their hedge fund ownership will be more successful than Tottenham's.

The big domino will be if City sacked Pep after just extending his contract. They could pluck most anyone they wanted, which would open up one of the bigger jobs and either set off a long or short chain reaction. If they fall victim to recency bias and snap up Kompany, I think Bayern hire Alonso and it's a very short chain reaction. If they hired Flick, the Barca maybe hires Valverde, and Iraola gets to go home to Bilbao.
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Completely agree there could be a lot of chain-reactions .

Unless ,of course , if Citeh go for Ange as Pep’s replacement…then everything will br a lot more straightforward.
 
SpursDNA said:
It may take a year or two (for Anchelotti to retire) but Alonso is waiting on Madrid … unfortunately

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Earlier today, reports emerged from Spain suggesting that Real Madrid manager Carlo Ancelotti had decided to step away from his position at the end of the season.In that scenario, former midfielder an...
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I'd give Alonso a 2 year offer and tell him he can go to Madrid with our blessing if they come calling.


TonySoprano said:
I wouldn’t be opposed to that. He’s light years beyond Ange. I think our players will respond to him.
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Ancelotti is the opposite of Ange. He adapts how his team plays based his players and his opposition. Exactly the sort of manager that has a long and fruitful career at the top.
Well into his 60's now though. Can't see him being motivated to do much having held 2 jobs in the PL already and did well with Chelsea.

Dark Shadow said:
Why is Sebastian Hoeness on the list but not Brenda Rogers.
I want to cast a vote for Rogers
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I didn't add Rogers as he was employed. He's 18 months in now though, so probably easily persuaded back down south again.
Added him and Inzaghi after todays rumours. Can't delete RVN or Potter unfortunately.

ILSpur said:
Nobody on that list inspires me very much.
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And yet they're all better than what we have.
 
Ed Vanderlay said:
Nuno was about 8th on the list Ange was some way down . So people do turn us down and it happens pretty frequently. The fact that Conte and Jose came , won fuck all ( unheard of anywhere else) left castigating the ownership is a toxic advert .
So Conte and Jose fail and rip into the club , Nuno is sacked within a few months and is now tearing it up at Forest , Ange is soon to fail having said whilst still employed the squad needed more help.
So our last 4 managers are the worst possible advert for working for Levy . I doubt in our history we have ever had such a run of either embarrassing and /or toxic departures .

I also doubt we have been a less attractive proposition in a very , very long time.
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I don't know that Nuno was 8th on the list or how far Ange was down.

Absolutely, some managers have turned us down - such has always been the case. Remember when Frank De Boer turned us down? He went on to the MLS and now he's in the UAE.

LVG turned us down and added his name to the list of failed United managers.

Now Naglesmann did turn us down and landed the German NT job.

Slot turned us down and landed the Liverpool job.

De Zerbi reportedly wasn't interested in us, now he's managing Marseilles which is to say he's enjoying a nice extended holiday managing a club which can win nothing and is expected to win nothing but is located in a beautiful part of the world. He's hardly doing his CV any credit, though, and is less likely to get a bigger job now than he was at Brighton.

Enrique turned us down and went to PSG instead. Which is to say he's enjoying a nice extended holiday managing a club which cannot win the one meaninful competition they participate for owners who are losing interest in even trying to win that meaningful thing now that their World Cup is over but is locates in one of the greatest cities on the planet. He's hardly doing his CV any credit but is likely to score another big job on name recognition alone.

There are times when turning us down makes sense, and there's times when it doesn't. With practically every major club job solidified for the next 24 months or so, now is a poor time to turn down Spurs.
 
Let’s not pretend Slot turned us down and went to Liverpool . Slot actually would have come , which is counterintuitive to my argument. Baldy would not pay the compensation, he signed an extension and joined Liverpool a year later .
Since Slot was allowed to slip through our fingers another manager has imploded spectacularly. The media are now slaughtering Levy for his shambolic running of the football side of things , this is a recent phenomenon.

If Iraola joins us either before the season ends or in the summer I will be absolutely gobsmacked . Managers tend to have massive self belief , it’s a prerequisite of the job, look at Ange it might be misplaced but he has it . I doubt Iraola remotely thinks , I could fuck this up any minute I better take the first decent offer I get
 
Matt1882 said:
40 votes for Iraola.
Next closest is 6 each for Frank and McKenna.

I think it's too soon for McKenna.
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I don't understand how Frank is preferred to Marco Silva.

Silva has a better win percentage with Fulham and Everton, has managed more Premier League games and nearly 500 games in total.

He would have more quality to work with at Spurs, than he has at Fulham, could work under Levy's constraints and improves individual players.

Silva is 47 so still quite young for a manager.

For me he is the obvious choice.
 
Ed Vanderlay said:
If Iraola joins us either before the season ends or in the summer I will be absolutely gobsmacked . Managers tend to have massive self belief , it’s a prerequisite of the job, look at Ange it might be misplaced but he has it . I doubt Iraola remotely thinks , I could fuck this up any minute I better take the first decent offer I get
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Even if that were there case, he's making <£1M. We would pay him >£5M. Bournemouth's net spend in the past 24 months is €180M. Tottenham's net spend in that period is €270M. Bournemouth's wage bill is £55M/yr. Tottenham's wage bill (even at our reduced level) is £105M/yr.

The idea he's going to choose to make grossly less money just because "Levy is a ballache to work with" is just angry Spurs supporter speak.

By every objective measure, a manager doing well with Bournemouth's resources is going to think they'll do far better with Tottenham's. If they can get paid 5X as much to work with more expensive players, why wouldn't they? Do you really think Iraola looks at Spurs and thinks "there's not a player in that squad that would get in my team"?

The fact that managers have self belief is likely a reason why he'd come to Spurs. He knows what he can do with Bournemouth's miniscule budget, why wouldn't he think he could do more with more?

All the clubs with better resources than Spurs look like they'll be set at manager thru the 2026 WC when, of course, there's going to be lots of upheaval. So Iraola would be betting £4M+ that he can do as good or better than this season, at least, at Bournemouth next season and still be the belle of the ball for some hypothetical unknown better future job.
 
MemphisWill said:
Even if that were there case, he's making <£1M. We would pay him >£5M. Bournemouth's net spend in the past 24 months is €180M. Tottenham's net spend in that period is €270M. Bournemouth's wage bill is £55M/yr. Tottenham's wage bill (even at our reduced level) is £105M/yr.

The idea he's going to choose to make grossly less money just because "Levy is a ballache to work with" is just angry Spurs supporter speak.

By every objective measure, a manager doing well with Bournemouth's resources is going to think they'll do far better with Tottenham's. If they can get paid 5X as much to work with more expensive players, why wouldn't they? Do you really think Iraola looks at Spurs and thinks "there's not a player in that squad that would get in my team"?

The fact that managers have self belief is likely a reason why he'd come to Spurs. He knows what he can do with Bournemouth's miniscule budget, why wouldn't he think he could do more with more?

All the clubs with better resources than Spurs look like they'll be set at manager thru the 2026 WC when, of course, there's going to be lots of upheaval. So Iraola would be betting £4M+ that he can do as good or better than this season, at least, at Bournemouth next season and still be the belle of the ball for some hypothetical unknown better future job.
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But people have rejected us , this is a fact . My point is Iraola will not be thinking it will all go tits up , he will be just as confident if he achieves European qualification decent offers will come . I am pretty sure Iraola unless Levy is even more stupid than I think he is has already been tapped him up , if so why isn’t he with us now . Levy I bet has already offered him big money , surely he is not so stupid to want to enter a bidding war in the summer .
None of us know but why would we not be offering it now , it would be negligent not to . Furthermore if we have why is he not with us . The idea that Levy has not been sounding people out for months goes against 25 years of history , yet here we are still with Ange . We must have had several rejections already , or are we now meant to believe Levy has found a moral compass.
 
Ed Vanderlay said:
think he is has already been tapped him up , if so why isn’t he with us now . Levy I bet has already offered him big money , surely he is not so stupid to want to enter a bidding war in the summer .
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I don't think he's moving anywhere until the Bilbao job is settled. Valverde likely receives and accepts a new contract, but until then I think Iraola wants to be available for the opportunity to go home and coach Bilbao in the CL.

After Valverde inks a new deal, I think we'll land him.
 
Ed Vanderlay said:
But people have rejected us , this is a fact . My point is Iraola will not be thinking it will all go tits up , he will be just as confident if he achieves European qualification decent offers will come . I am pretty sure Iraola unless Levy is even more stupid than I think he is has already been tapped him up , if so why isn’t he with us now . Levy I bet has already offered him big money , surely he is not so stupid to want to enter a bidding war in the summer .
None of us know but why would we not be offering it now , it would be negligent not to . Furthermore if we have why is he not with us . The idea that Levy has not been sounding people out for months goes against 25 years of history , yet here we are still with Ange . We must have had several rejections already , or are we now meant to believe Levy has found a moral compass.
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If Iraola does come it won’t be till summer. It’s not in Iraola interest to run now, he can achieve much with Bournemouth this season and of course he will be looking at different options but one thing this club does do is pay managers very well above market rate, we do opposite with players but managers get big compensation to deal with Levy’s shit.
 
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