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Geoff Scott ,head of the medical dept, had been with us for 14 yrs under various managers left in the summer. Reports were that he had fallen out with Ange. I can imagine Ange doesn’t like anybody telling him anything.
Anyway the injuries have got worse . No doubt Geoff Scott was trying to protect players and jacked it in cos he couldn’t get on with Ange. The farce of Romero and Micky coming back and getting injured in the first game is down to who?. We will probably never know.
It’s only the injuries keeping Ange in a job, without the injuries I don’t see us much above halfway. Plenty of crap performances with full strength teams. The midfield is farcical , The problems were there last season and nothing has changed,
He needs to go. Don’t see why we wait till we get knocked out of the Europa .
We sat back and played on the break with Conte. That’s what everyone was complaining about.
And that requires shit loads of running because you have to chase the ball as your opponent passes it around all the time because you aren't really trying to get it back.
You run less when you have the ball because the ball moves faster and further than any player with the ball.
Well if your theory is true, I haven't seen a single article about that published. So you've either made it up or it's an amazing cover up job.
Literally just the other day Ange said Sarr wasn’t fit to play!! But he had played him.
I’m never amazed at the level of tunnel vision I see on here.
There’s no cover up. Players are rarely 100% fit. Injections, strapping, players going out wearing face masks to protect broken bones. Sonny playing with a broken arm In the past.
These are all the norms in professional sport.
Fucking hell this season Vicario played through having a fractured foot. These guys will stay on the pitch or walk onto the pitch given half a chance. It’s what they do.
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Quick general search about football medical advice bought this article up. One of many I’m sure.
The Importance of the Partnership Between a Manager and a Physio | Sterosport
Gavin Blackwell Tells Us About the Importance and Uniqueness of the Relationship Between a Manager and Physio.
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“Over the years there have been many reported high-profile manager fall outs with their physios, as the pressure to perform and achieve results can create a cycle of injuries, pressure to return to play, more injuries and more pressure! Many managers and players have spoken out about the intensity and frequency of games following the return to professional football following lockdown, often as numerous key players are hit by injury. Physios will undoubtedly be under pressure to ensure as many of the squad are fit to ensure their teams are competitive in league and cup competitions.”
What sport do you work in?? Is it anywhere near as pressured / monetised as premier league football?
I just can’t believe you have never come across a senior person overruling advice from the medical team.
People also forget that he admitted to playing Romero longer than he should have in that match against Chelsea in December. Both Romero and VDV got reinjured that match, it was their first game back after recovering from previous injury.
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jota klopp medical advice
Quick general search about football medical advice bought this article up. One of many I’m sure.
The Importance of the Partnership Between a Manager and a Physio | Sterosport
Gavin Blackwell Tells Us About the Importance and Uniqueness of the Relationship Between a Manager and Physio.
“Over the years there have been many reported high-profile manager fall outs with their physios, as the pressure to perform and achieve results can create a cycle of injuries, pressure to return to play, more injuries and more pressure! Many managers and players have spoken out about the intensity and frequency of games following the return to professional football following lockdown, often as numerous key players are hit by injury. Physios will undoubtedly be under pressure to ensure as many of the squad are fit to ensure their teams are competitive in league and cup competitions.”
What sport do you work in?? Is it anywhere near as pressured / monetised as premier league football?
I just can’t believe you have never come across a senior person overruling advice from the medical team.
Pressuring and overruling are different though mate.
The more old school the business element of the sport, the more likely a coach is to have the power to overrule.
Take Basketball as an example. In the European game the coaches have the power. If they want a player to get on court then they do it or the player gets cut. In the NBA it’s different. Now the business comes first and that athlete is an asset and the coach is an employee.
I have no doubt that a coach like Klopp or Pep have the status to exert more pressure on a player to play and more pressure on the medical team to get the player ready and clear them to play… but the bottom line is that player is a multi million pound asset for FSG or a middle eastern money consortium, if the medical team don’t green light it, I’d be shocked if the coach has the power to overrule that. Even Pep and Klopp.
Caveat being it’s probably not always black and white. There’s probably grey areas like Sarr recently where the player has a knock that should recover but no extra risk to muscle or joint injuries. The medical team will be saying he can play but he shouldn’t. If it’s a muscle injury or a ligament that’s probably a much simpler case of red light / green light.
Haha right..
Interesting debate going on here.
As someone who's worked in the medical side of things in pro football, yes it's true many coaches have gone against what Medical staff have said.
In certain cases the medical staff will have power to say no but that's often if there is serious risk to the player. It's all about risk management, no one can predict if a player will get re-injured when they go out to play.
If the medical staff gives the green light and the player turns around and says no which I think is what is happening with Micky, then there is nothing the coach can do in that case.
Players have a lot of power because it's their body, this is why concussions have taken this long to become medical/independent decisions. It's starting to shift towards medical departments now but be under no illusion that some coaches and players will still go against what they say if they are able.
Bigger debate for me is when are players going to strike for having too many games? It's time they took action for themselves given the up tick in injuries in the game. I was having this conversation with a physio at work last week.
As someone who's worked in the medical side of things in pro football, yes it's true many coaches have gone against what Medical staff have said.
In certain cases the medical staff will have power to say no but that's often if there is serious risk to the player. It's all about risk management, no one can predict if a player will get re-injured when they go out to play.
If the medical staff gives the green light and the player turns around and says no which I think is what is happening with Micky, then there is nothing the coach can do in that case.
Players have a lot of power because it's their body, this is why concussions have taken this long to become medical/independent decisions. It's starting to shift towards medical departments now but be under no illusion that some coaches and players will still go against what they say if they are able.
Bigger debate for me is when are players going to strike for having too many games? It's time they took action for themselves given the up tick in injuries in the game. I was having this conversation with a physio at work last week.
It's up to the clubs and PL to have more players per squad so they can rotate. Perhaps the rules need to be changed regarding when it's possible to make loan deals.
No but acorrding to people on here, they seem to know for a fact that Ange is forcing players to play whilst injured. Hence why they seem to have concluded that he is the reason they are injured.
Maybe Vicario has been asked to do too many sprints in training too. Or is he being asked to jump too many times because of Anges 'style of play'. Honestly are these people professional footballers or geriatrics.
In answer to less games question. The question is how many would be willing to take a paycut.
Nice post. Thanks mate.
And rings very true with what is happening with our players atm. Micky and Romero both deciding they don't want to play yet would make a lot of sense in terms of being spooked by returning last time and picking up new injuries. They will also have their agent in their ear telling them to protect themselves first.
Also, kind of clicks with this idea that we have groups of players returning at similar times.
Unless their contracts were written up at a time when they had less games in the schedule and haven't been amended. Plus their club contracts don't include the increased international schedule for this stupid Nations League, and that is the one that causes all the extra travel and stress on their bodies.
For extra games caused by Europe and Cups, they will have bonus structures baked in to cover those.
In Spain they had emergency loans outside of transfer windoe. if a players are injured they can sign player. Barcelona did it and fucked up leganes season. Slightly different as Spain have buyout but in practice refusing your players to join a bigger club for loads more money will likely still fuck up your season when they down tools.
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Yeah I can see how it might well cause problems. Maybe there should be a pool of players that clubs put players into that they want to loan out. Thus it's not poaching a team's best players on loan with more money or causing players to down tools.In Spain they had emergency loans outside of transfer windoe. if a players are injured they can sign player. Barcelona did it and fucked up leganes season. Slightly different as Spain have buyout but in practice refusing your players to join a bigger club for loads more money will likely still fuck up your season when they down tools.
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All the top players have the power when they negotiate. Can put in any new deal X amount games maximum including internationals ( nations league replaced friendlies, don't think it's inceeased games). Doubt they would even need to take a pay cut.
The number of games is largely for top players who play in Europe.
You would imagine that loan pool would be mostly dross. The U23 squad would probably be preferred.
Increasing squad size would have limited impact as the Managers who complain most about games tend not to rotate with the current squads due to pressure on the next game.