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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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I assume that the club has quite the say in the official interviews compared to a leak through Vic's family at a game.
The recent interview was also with Optus. A Australian channel I believe.
But doesnt roy Keane have a spat with everybody? Remember sedgeley winding him up in cup final 91 as keane was giving Edinburgh grief.
Cant believe how shit our manager is. If we win europa takes 50 per cent off pain atm. But I still want Ange out. Even if media make him some kind of darling as he won us a trophy. Hes gone beyond the point of no return imo.Basil Fawlty were in total control mate!!
Honestly there's some managers that I've hated but respected, like Redknapp, or not respected but actually liked, like AVB.
I don't like or respect Ange.
Sorry Matt, I feel like I am disagreeing with you a lot today which is not the intention. I will reign myself in after this one... but look this club was built on the mantra "It is better to fail aiming high than to succeed aiming low. At Spurs we set our sights very high, so that even failure will have in it an echo of glory." - that's what this club is about... we've gone from Mourinho, Conte to Ange and what is likely to be manager adapt and getting his team into the top half of the table. Although for the record Frank has only finished top half once in three completed seasons (9th in 22-23) and probably won't make top half this season. Is that what you want? I don't prescribe to the comment "well anything is better than Ange" by that token we should put Mason in charge. So I don't mind people refusing to entertain Iraola, Frank and Silva because those are the fans (like myself) who refuse to accept top half of the Premier League as the height of our ambition. With our revenue, resources, stadium and facilities we should be aiming to challenge for the league every fucking season. The fact we aren't is embarrassing.
It's not bizzare. It's the same reason that Mabbutt backs him publicly. Club employees are contracted to the club. In private I have personally been told at least four senior players think it's a complete farce. Agents are now agitating about the direction and want reassurances or transfers.
Most Premier League teams win fuck all but every single one of those fans that keep going week in week out believe they can do a Leicester or even a Forest this season if the cards full their way. And that's the difference... I doubt any Spurs fans under this owner think we will win anything. It's not in our DNA since ENIC took over. Granted we didn't win much before them but we certainly won more. We must avoid normalising success as a top six finish. It isn't... it's BS Kool-aid that Levy / ENIC want you to drink... we should be challenging for the title and other domestic trophies every season and I have yet to hear any argument as to WHY we shouldn't that doesn't involve penny pinching ownership more interested in balance sheets than team sheets.
AVB was just big words and wore a suit. He thought that was enough. Tbh I hated francis, conte and Mourinho. Francis nearly turned us into QPR, conte thought he was doing us a favour and high maintenance. Mourinho just bored the shit out of me. Always a soundbite with him as well. Trouble.
Simple truth is, the club doesn't or isn't aiming for the top, as long as it continues to pull in 60k plus and sells pints and pies it's job done.
Your wrong about this. By your logic Luis Van Gaal Levy's choice for the job over Pochettino was the correct appointment. I don't think our so called Mantra excludes getting the Brentford coach as a signifier of no ambition. I think Frank will do way better than people think he has worked well at a EPL club with much less resources. I think he will scale up precisely because people underestimate his ability to improve players. We have lots of great young players give them to bloke made: David Raya,Ivan Toney, Olley Watkins, Brain Embeumo, Johan Wissa. Getting some serious football out of Damsgaurd too now.
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He's still here then?
100%. Levy wants maximum return from a safe investment. He doesn’t give a flying fuck about winning the league. As long as he’s able to edge fans into thinking “there’s a chance” he has done his job.
He could spend £1bn on 10 world class players this summer and triple the wage bill but because there’d still be no guarantee of silverware as players might flop, some might get injured or the apocalypse might happen, it’s not worth the risk in his eyes. As long as we’re in and around Europe he knows people will still buy tickets.
I can only be wrong if Frank takes over and challenges for the league every season. Everything else is opinion. It's like me saying you're wrong as Frank will be a completely fucking disaster. Let's not kid ourselves he is working on a shoe string either. He's not and his body of work is pretty ordinary. Also, who is to say LVG wouldn't have taken that squad and turned it into champions? You can't because he never got the opportunity.
Yeah I think that pretty much is where we're atm.
It's a shame really how we've capitulated after the new stadium was delivered.
But was it for Thfc or just corporate greed?
Exactly this. He realised years ago that things outside of your control (like lasagne gate) can derail your season. If a club relies on qualifying for the CL financially then it can be disastrous if a manager or players underperform, or if a referee makes a bad call in a big game, or the players get food poisoning on the eve of a big game. Instead he realised the key was commercial income. Our revenues will be >£500M whether we qualify for the CL or not. The £80-90M the CL brings is easily replaced by NFL games, Beyonce concerts, boxing matches, go karting etc. Only difference being we do not need to spend millions on wages in an attempt to 'win' the commercial events. We are not competing with Chelsea, Man City, Newcastle (and other finncially doped clubs) for the commercial events. All he needs to do is pay the 6th/7th/8th biggest wage bill, get some home grown talent in the squad, and we will qualify for Europe enough to keep the demand for tickets.
You have answered it with the latter part of your post.
Seems strange though, imagine if this club had won the league yesterday.
The interest in memorabilia, shirt sales etc etc, the financial success would be even greater.
Unfortunately the board doesn't share that vision, survival in the league is king for them.
Very sad the way the club has disintegrated, after the CL final I thought the future was bright but it isn't.
It will be interesting to see what some players say about him once he's gone. Feel like we will see more interviews similar to the one with Dier, which really highlights how out of place Ange is at this level.
It takes me the best part of 7hrs to get to Tottenham and I only wish I could go every week but it’s very hard because of the distance. This manager and his excuses are fucking grating on me as if losing isn’t a big thing.