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Management Ange Postecoglou
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So he gets a 2 million pound bonus for winning the Europa.
Now, if he gets sacked, its rumored another 5 million. Poor bastard if that happens to him....
Then Levy has to pay someone at least that, with higher expectations for him, and a real risk of failure.
Let's get real here: Levy will not buy ready-made league-winning players for next season, so no, we're not winning the league next season even with Ancelotti or Guardiola. So realistically we're a cup team.
Just as well because I'm nearly certain Postecoglou personally prioritizes the Champions League over any other club trophy.
Now, if he gets sacked, its rumored another 5 million. Poor bastard if that happens to him....
Then Levy has to pay someone at least that, with higher expectations for him, and a real risk of failure.
Let's get real here: Levy will not buy ready-made league-winning players for next season, so no, we're not winning the league next season even with Ancelotti or Guardiola. So realistically we're a cup team.
Just as well because I'm nearly certain Postecoglou personally prioritizes the Champions League over any other club trophy.
He tried to win the Caraboa Cup but we couldn't beat Liverpool over the two legs. There's no point pretending otherwise like he only wanted the Europa League. If we'd have met Liverpool in the Europa League we most likely wouldn't have won that either.
Professionalism and buy in aren’t the same thing.
Just ask Nuno who never got buy in from older and more experienced veteran players at Spurs than this squad.
You try and hire any of those guys after this it would be a disaster and they’d be gone before you can blink. We’d be right back to being a banter club.
We are 17th. It’s unacceptable and Ange needs to wear that as much as his EL winners medal but let that be the uniting force that Unites this squad to prove everyone wrong in the league next season.
After winning the EL together this season, they will believe anything is possible. You hire Iraola, Frank or Silva, you are telling them to believe that winning things is over now and we really believe we are an upper middle table club who had a freak trophy. Maybe not what you think it says but that’s how the players will see it
Everyone is a cup team except City and Liverpool nowdays
I don't think he's said that he *only* wanted to win the Europa League, only that when it became obvious that the league was done, he focused like a laser on it, because he felt it was winnable. He was right.
Excellent points that I had not considered.
Fair fucking play to him, I’ve been one of his biggest doubters but he’s given me an unforgettable few nights, nobody can take that away from him. Give him massive credit for Wednesday and Frankfurt away in particular, he got those players ready to die for him on the pitch out there.
I still however think it’s best for all parties for him to leave this summer. The premier league form since November 2023 just can’t be ignored, we have enough sample size to judge his ability to manage us week to week in the prem. He has the chance to go out a hero and be remembered for breaking the trophy drought, I think if he stays he will end up being sacked at the start of next season and it will affect both the way he’s looked at and hinder us next season.
What does change though is the optics, he simply can’t be sacked to be replaced by a silva/iroala type manager, even though I think both of those would do better in the prem, it would just look crazy to sack a European trophy winner for an up and coming mid table manager. For him to leave this summer I think it has to be for a “big name” type who has won before, a Xavi for example.
Interesting to see what happens, because really whatever the board had in place for after Brighton shouldn’t change on the back of one game, but what this cup has done for us and all the emotion of the past few days can’t be ignored. But lastly big up ange for getting us over the line and giving me the greatest night I’ve had supporting this club.
I still however think it’s best for all parties for him to leave this summer. The premier league form since November 2023 just can’t be ignored, we have enough sample size to judge his ability to manage us week to week in the prem. He has the chance to go out a hero and be remembered for breaking the trophy drought, I think if he stays he will end up being sacked at the start of next season and it will affect both the way he’s looked at and hinder us next season.
What does change though is the optics, he simply can’t be sacked to be replaced by a silva/iroala type manager, even though I think both of those would do better in the prem, it would just look crazy to sack a European trophy winner for an up and coming mid table manager. For him to leave this summer I think it has to be for a “big name” type who has won before, a Xavi for example.
Interesting to see what happens, because really whatever the board had in place for after Brighton shouldn’t change on the back of one game, but what this cup has done for us and all the emotion of the past few days can’t be ignored. But lastly big up ange for getting us over the line and giving me the greatest night I’ve had supporting this club.
I would argue that conversely keeping him on after finishing 17th in quantifiably our worst ever campaign since the First Division became the Premier League sends a message loud and clear that we are not a serious club that wants to build towards sustained success and are more than happy to essentially "do a favour" to a manager because he finally ended our trophy drought and let us give it back to rival fans for once. You don't think that those players also have it in their mind that they've been an absolute laughing stock for most of the season and had multiple clashes with their own fans, dogs abuse thrown at them all season, and it is in no small part down to the manager?
After finishing 17th in the league under this manager, yes, anything is possible next season, including relegation...
Agreed. The club needs to get him some goalscorers and difference makers in the summer and keep the vibes going.
Lets not forget this was one of the worst finals Ive ever seen in terms of quality. And most games this season I felt like turning the TV off.
Ironically, the room where he sits watching CCTV screens has no CCTV itself so it wouldn't surprise me.Last time this little cockroach Deuterz posted in the OMT was half hour into the final, we scored 10 mins later and he hasn't been since, not even anything post match, how happy he is or how proud he is...just a whole load of nothing
Just keeps exposing himself doesn't he, he's never been truly Spurs.
He is a 100% goon WUM.
I think those players absolutely love that manager and now they’ve done the impossible and won a major trophy together, they will believe they can prove to everyone that this season in the league wasn’t who they really are.
They will be driven to prove that in the league next Year.
The poster that I replied to said that he (Postecoglou) put all his eggs into the European basket.
That's what I was referring to.
Far too much emotion being applied to this (which is understandable under the circumstances), but any decision needs to made objectively as I’ve said before.
Personally, irrespective of Ange, I don’t think there’s anywhere near enough experience in the coaching set up behind him.
I do think it’s difficult to see how the league form can improve dramatically under Ange.
Is he willing to adapt his style significantly? Yes he’s done that in the Europa, but he openly admitted he plays cup games differently.
My main concern is we carry our dire league form into next season and then we’re making a change mid-season which is never normally as successful.
Personally, irrespective of Ange, I don’t think there’s anywhere near enough experience in the coaching set up behind him.
I do think it’s difficult to see how the league form can improve dramatically under Ange.
Is he willing to adapt his style significantly? Yes he’s done that in the Europa, but he openly admitted he plays cup games differently.
My main concern is we carry our dire league form into next season and then we’re making a change mid-season which is never normally as successful.
What players specifically? Most of them have been at the club for five minutes. I really think you are massively, massively overattributing the importance of this cup win to the players because of the importance it held for us as fans. Our average squad age is like 23, many of our players are U21s, do you really think they've won the Europa and thought "this is it, I've hit the pinnacle, this is as elite coaching as I'll ever get and this manager is the best chance I have at being a raging success"? I can promise you they don't. The team will move on.
Any evidence?
I repeat:
Vic, Maddison, Son, Kulu, Dom, Cuti which were very much missed had injuries that had nothing to do with training or playing intensity.
Yes I think we have. Ange has not got them performing
So according to your logic winning the EL made Spurs a bigger club than Real M., Barca, Man City, Bayern M. because those clubs failed to win the CL.Oh my bad I always thought top clubs were judged on winning stuff, my bad.
Do you think anyone would respect Real if they finished CL runners up 15 times and constantly failed at the last hurdle, do you think anyone would still look at them as a European giant or a top European side?
What the fuck are we even doing here?
Sevilla won the Europe League in 2014. 2015, 2016. Are they regarded as a top club?
If Real M. had reached 15 consecutive CL finals I am sure they would win a few of them
And they would have been regarded as a big club. Anyway, try tell señor Florentino Pérez that instead of aiming to win the CL every season, something he will never be able to do, he should instead have Real M. aim for the EL because it's much easier to win. And if he does win the EL a few times his club will be seen as a giant. Tell him to lower his standards and win "lesser" trophies.
Why did the big leagues push to have more teams - on behalf of "smaller" leagues - in the CL knowing it would be harder to win? Do your really think they believe it's a bigger achievement to win the EL?
And why would Spurs fans want their team to finish in the top-4, even without a chance to win the EPL title, knowing that ending 5 and would give them an easier shoot at a title as it would qualify them for the easier EL?
It's trophy vs. prestige. And a trophy doesn't always equate beating prestige.