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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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I don’t know what people are expecting. A statement saying the manager is not sacked isn’t happening. Some comments backing him maybe forthcoming but we all know they don’t count for much once he loses more games.
I’ve always said I think he starts next season.
I'm not. How is he an upgrade? What has he achieved in football management? If it means getting more out of average players, well that's also a Sam Allardyce achievement!!!
Unless Levy finds someone who is a clear-as-day upgrade, he will be on a hiding to nothing when he loses 3 games in a row (Levy and the new manager).
If you said to me at the start of the season, you can win the Europa (in my mind, UEFA) cup and get into the CL, but you have to finish 17th as a price to pay, I'd take that all day. Finishing 4th, 3rd and 2nd as we have in the past decade, meant f'all to me. Winning something was badly needed. Can't sack a manager for winning a trophy under challenging circumstances (back 5 injured all at once, playing kids all season, injuries to key players).
You really think this back 4 is better than prime Rose Toby Vert Walker? That's quite the statement.
Personally don't think they're in that bracket yet to be honest.
This is the scenario I see happening too. I really don't think Levy will sack him after lifting a pot and someone like Frank or Xavi or whoever coming in would be a gamble anyway. They would be on a hiding to nothing with the previous man having got the trophy monkey off our back.
Ange stays, see how it goes - if its not a disaster in the league and CL group stage by winter break he will see out the year with Poch back in 26 is my bet and tbh I wouldn't be against it if the touted managers were the alternative.
IMO any whispers or statements to suggest he is staying - from players or otherwise - is the 'default' I'd expect to hear and nothing more.
The only way we'll know he's actually staying is if he's on the pre-season tour, or if we start signing players for him. At the minimum, we won't hear anything at all about any changes until end of June (IMO) when the new footballing administration comes in (Vinai and, I assume, Paratici)
Certainly won't even know if Ange himself is wanting to stay on until he's back off his holiday. Despite the fact he's about to turn 60, he has school age kids. I imagine, because of that, he will want to - or be under pressure to - consider carefully about whether he wants to put his kids in a new school year only to be at risk of moving them anyway in October/November time (such is the pressure to start the season well).
I wouldn't put it past him to leave with the Europa on his mantle, reputation (contentiously) enhanced, rather than gamble and leave Ramos style
The only way we'll know he's actually staying is if he's on the pre-season tour, or if we start signing players for him. At the minimum, we won't hear anything at all about any changes until end of June (IMO) when the new footballing administration comes in (Vinai and, I assume, Paratici)
Certainly won't even know if Ange himself is wanting to stay on until he's back off his holiday. Despite the fact he's about to turn 60, he has school age kids. I imagine, because of that, he will want to - or be under pressure to - consider carefully about whether he wants to put his kids in a new school year only to be at risk of moving them anyway in October/November time (such is the pressure to start the season well).
I wouldn't put it past him to leave with the Europa on his mantle, reputation (contentiously) enhanced, rather than gamble and leave Ramos style
What's the point of having all these supposed football directors Vini, Paratici, Munn, Lange if they can't make the correct decision.
Winning the europa league is great for the club and a fantastic achievement but cup football isn't a measure of sustainability, unless the club is extremely consistent in winning them year after year. Which we in recent times are not.
22 league defeats....22. it is clear as day there is something fundamentally wrong with Ange Postecoglou and his coaching staff.
We are never Pro active always hopeful and always reactive, we should be making clear and obvious steps to improve but it always feels undercooked.
We have got a head start now regarding champions league and we really need to put some distance between us and the rest of the chasing pack.
Winning the europa league is great for the club and a fantastic achievement but cup football isn't a measure of sustainability, unless the club is extremely consistent in winning them year after year. Which we in recent times are not.
22 league defeats....22. it is clear as day there is something fundamentally wrong with Ange Postecoglou and his coaching staff.
We are never Pro active always hopeful and always reactive, we should be making clear and obvious steps to improve but it always feels undercooked.
We have got a head start now regarding champions league and we really need to put some distance between us and the rest of the chasing pack.
If Levy wants to sack him - he can't until Ange gets back from his holiday.
I suspect one factor will be their personal relationship.
It normally ends it breaking down - and the manager mouthing off about Levy and the club.
Ange has sort of done it - but nowhere near to the extent others did. We forget how crazy Poch went in the press towards the end. We don't know what is happening behind the scenes.
I suspect one factor will be their personal relationship.
It normally ends it breaking down - and the manager mouthing off about Levy and the club.
Ange has sort of done it - but nowhere near to the extent others did. We forget how crazy Poch went in the press towards the end. We don't know what is happening behind the scenes.
Yeah thats the only comparison and its close. Right now I can see why you'd have the Poch back 4 ahead as you can see their full careers.
Personally I think Porro Romero VDV and Udogie will all go onto have much better careers than the 4 you mentioned. Romero has already surpassed them. VDV is destined to become one of the best and will either do it with us or at a bigger club.
Porro might not get to Walker levels of success so he'd the debatable one. Prime Rose is better than current Udogie but I'd back Udogie to end up with a much better career.
Big statement but I could see us reflecting on this back 4 in 5 years time and kicking ourselves for not building on it. Could see all 4 of them playing for the best teams in Europe if they can't make it work here.
If he's staying the press will be briefed to report it, nothing official.
it's not even the best back 4 we've had in the last 10 years, much less the best we've ever had. Player for player, Rose was far better than Udogie, Vert>Romero, Alderweireld>VDV, Walker>Porro. And it's not even close.
There's a strong shout to say BAE/King/Woodgate/Corluka were better than this lot considering our current defenders can't fucking stay fit for 5 games in a row either.
Whether there is any truth to this or not I believe he will stay and the club will look at the injury crisis and point to that as a factor of the poor results in the league.
Game of opinion. I think in 5 years time we'll be reflecting on this back 4 as generational and we'll probably see most of them playing for the best sides in Europe.
it's not even the best back 4 we've had in the last 10 years, much less the best we've ever had. Player for player, Rose was far better than Udogie, Vert>Romero, Alderweireld>VDV, Walker>Porro. And it's not even close.
There's a strong shout to say BAE/King/Woodgate/Corluka were better than this lot considering our current defenders can't fucking stay fit for 5 games in a row either.
It's an objective fact that this back 4 has conceded 126 league goals in 2 seasons, there's absolutely no chance this is a generational defence. I think of the lot, VDV is the best, and I agree with you that he has the potential to be world class, however big question marks over his fitness, and he is not without his faults, very susceptible in the air considering his height, and he is still somewhat naive in his positioning, so definitely gaps to fill. Porro is nothing like good enough defensively or athletic enough to make up for it to ever be in the world class bracket at RB, I very much doubt anyone at CL level is looking at him seriously considering what they'd need to part with. Udogie is very young and I want to see him in a proper defensive system before making serious judgement. Romero, yes, great on his day, so many fucking individual errors though, and been a sicknote for his 3 seasons here, the best ability is availability and that's something both our CBs have not been for large stretches of the last 2 seasons.
One thing I give him full credit for is his prioritizing on winning a trophy because it would mean more to the fans than another top 4 finish
A "no brainer" you might say but recent history would say not so.
I remember the presser where he asked one of the journo's "What do you think winning this trophy would mean". "it would be massive..." "....yes it would be massive"
His emotional IQ amd ability to motivate is off the charts.
A "no brainer" you might say but recent history would say not so.
I remember the presser where he asked one of the journo's "What do you think winning this trophy would mean". "it would be massive..." "....yes it would be massive"
His emotional IQ amd ability to motivate is off the charts.
If Ange is staying than how about we start working on our summer signings - that’s the STATEMENT I want to see.
Our rivals in the Big Six have wrapped up at least one signing:
Red Scum - Zubumendi
Mancs - Cunha
Chavs - Delap
Scouse - Frimpong
… and they are hot on the heels of others.
Meanwhile crickets from us. If Ange is staying then what are you waiting for you bald f’in cunt? Get off ur arse and start working on our transfers!
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Recency bias in full effect.
it's not even the best back 4 we've had in the last 10 years, much less the best we've ever had. Player for player, Rose was far better than Udogie, Vert>Romero, Alderweireld>VDV, Walker>Porro. And it's not even close.
There's a strong shout to say BAE/King/Woodgate/Corluka were better than this lot considering our current defenders can't fucking stay fit for 5 games in a row either.
Should be used to this by now. Every year same shit, I don’t know why it even bothers people anymore.
if he didn't do that I'd be the first to criticize for him for being stubborn and inflexible, unable to adjust. Hell I'd even post
a witty gif of him saying "Its who we are mate"
Yeah, heard that from a couple of places now. Sounds legit to me, tbf.
Probably the wrong decision but if that is the case, the very least that Levy can do is fucking back him in the market.
He won't though.