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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
kcspurs said:
He isn't going to win a trophy this year. He won't win the CL and he can't win against decent PL clubs.

Again, all defenses of Ange are that he "deserves" to return, or that we "can't" sack him, not that we will win anything by retaining him. It's some sort of an idea that the club is indebted to Ange and we ought to write off next year out of gratitude.
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So if you say Ange won’t win a trophy next season, which manager will. Not might. Will.

Personally, I’m not confident in Frank or Iriola doing much more with this group of players than finish top ten without a cup. Probably what’ll end up happening if we keep Ange.
 
9th November 2024-

Ange: 'I could be going, 'let's just win a trophy this year, everything will be fine', but I win a trophy, we finish 10th and five games into next year I get sacked.

'Not that it's about me but then the club has to change direction again so have you really done anything? I don't think so.'



Bloody hell. He’s a prophet!
 
_mehstg said:
Please list these extensive and obvious similarities.
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Basically the entire managerial career is a long tenure at one club which he lifted out of the Championship to become an extremely small club at the Premier League level, having a burst of remarkable early success with a very small budget (both peaking at exactly 9th place in fact), and then just kind of hanging around as a Cinderella minnow defying gravity, though never reaching European play or making a particularly loud cup run.

So in both cases it's a question of "how does this cuddly little underdog story with a guy who really only knows that environment transfer to a bigger scale?"

There are differences, but broadly it's an extremely similar story and profile.
 
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Mince Charming said:
The point of football and professional sports in general: Winning stuff.
Not the point: Finishing 2nd or 4th or 6th or 8th.
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Problem with this notion is that, just because we scraped through this EL trophy this season, DOES NOT MEAN we will do the same next season...even if its a EFL cup or FA Cup, the win is not guarenteed.

So, I dont get how the past is somehow going to influence the future now.

If winning trophy were soooooooooo easy, there wont be clubs in hierarchy not winning for 20 yrs or 40 yrs of 60 yrs.

The only predictable way you can influence the future is through promoting self-improvement, bringing through consistency.That happens only through improving in league

At present, the only consistent factor is, if we play attacking football, we cant defend. Attacking means playing stupid defenseless attack under Ange. No reason its going to change in league, given its been the case since day1.

You want a consistent future & more probability in going deeper into tournaments ? - then league performance is the only way to go. That 2nd place, 4th place, 6th place helps build the squad and consistency.
 
Have been following this thread partly in despair and partly laughing at the toxic frothing.

So, in summary (4,400 of pages!?), not everyone has the same opinion, but what is certain is that what each of us thinks matters not one fuck.

The London Kart Klub will make whatever decision Levy flukes in his confused brain.

And the only certainty is that, as invariably happens with Tottenham Hotspur Football Club, it will all end in tears, but we’ll still be here, loving the shirt and bickering like an angry litter fighting over scraps.

Up The Spurs!
 
AberdeenYid said:
So if you say Ange won’t win a trophy next season, which manager will. Not might. Will.

Personally, I’m not confident in Frank or Iriola doing much more with this group of players than finish top ten without a cup. Probably what’ll end up happening if we keep Ange.
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I'm not expecting whomever our manager is to win a trophy next season, barring some sort of dramatic change in the club's direction.

My opposition to Ange is that he isn't a PL level manager and we are not moving closer to our club's aspirations if we accept what he offers and spend another year near the bottom of the table. We should be appointing a serious manager and trying to develop players and build up to winning the league, which ought to be the goal of one of the biggest clubs in the world.

Keeping a poor manager in place on the hope that we might be able to duplicate a very unique situation from this year again next year to win a second rate trophy is antithetical to that.

Why should we accept that we can't do any better than this, that we are a cup team with no league aspirations? Is that who we are? Is that who we should want to be?

Support should not be willing to accept this.
 
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Mostly wrong said:
Yes, because there exists no such thing as a manager who can balance results in the league with cup success. The ONLY way Tottenham Hotspur FC can possibly win a trophy is by finishing 17th on 38 points.
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Sure, finishing 4th whilst winning the Europa league would be a lot better than finishing 17th and winning the Europa. The important element in either scenario is winning the Europa League though - i.e. winning a trophy and qualifying for the UCL.

Are there managers out there who can achieve that top 4 or 6 finish plus win a European trophy in a season beset by serious injuries to numerous key players? Maybe I guess. I’m not sure I’ve seen it though. And I’ve definitely not seen it here, where good managers have failed to do it even with Kane and less significant injury problems.
 
Mostly wrong said:
Shit manager underperforms club's expectations massively in the league but saves job by the skin of his teeth with a cup win.

Literal carbon copy.

17th placed finishes under Ange: 1
17th placed finishes under Jose, Conte, Nuno, Redknapp, AVB, Santini, Francis, Mason, Stellini, Sherwood and Jol: 0
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LOL, you are not a serious poster in any way shape or form -

Nuance, complexity, and circumstance are not something you believe exist because you are sad about losing football matches.

This discussion is too big for you to get.
 
Anyone who champions Ange and Ange-Ball is a football incompetent! That includes any of our current squad. What!! I hear you say!
I'll back that statement up by asking how many top players have failed as top managers? More than have succeeded is the answer you are looking for.
 
Nobody3 said:
Anyone who champions Ange and Ange-Ball is a football incompetent! That includes any of our current squad. What!! I hear you say!
I'll back that statement up by asking how many top players have failed as top managers? More than have succeeded is the answer you are looking for.
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Anyone who has any reaction in either direction to our squad saying "we like our manager" when publicly asked about it is an idiot, I'm sorry.
 
dudu said:
LOL, you are not a serious poster in any way shape or form -

Nuance, complexity, and circumstance are not something you believe exist because you are sad about losing football matches.

This discussion is too big for you to get.
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This coming from the man who said a few pages ago he doesn't believe the concept of "luck" exists, you will excuse me if I don't lose any sleep over your half-arsed attempt at a put-down.
 
Nuttynoah said:
Really? Got a link?
It seems to be from noahmaes_ so i 'm not giving it much credit right now. Just another wannabe itk trying his luck on a 50:50. No one else has picked up on it yet and it was posted 6 hours ago.
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I don't, the only place I've seen it posted was NoMates, but someone else said it originated with Gold
 
kcspurs said:
I'm not expecting whomever our manager is to win a trophy next season, barring some sort of dramatic change in the club's direction.

My opposition to Ange is that he isn't a PL level manager and we are not moving closer to our club's aspirations if we accept what he offers and spend another year near the bottom of the table. We should be appointing a serious manager and trying to develop players and build up to winning the league, which ought to be the goal of one of the biggest clubs in the world.

Keeping a poor manager in place on the hope that we might be able to duplicate a very unique situation from this year again next year to win a second rate trophy is antithetical to that. Why should we accept that we can't do any better than this, that we are a cup team with no league aspirations? Is that who we are? Is that who we should want to be?

Support should not be willing to accept this.
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That's not what Ange is offering. He has never said that cup success is our ceiling and from what we know of Ange he wouldn't stay if he believed that - he left the Socceroos because he didn't feel the infrastructure was there to be competitive at World Cup level, he wasn't content with the Asian Cup and WC qualification and wasn't prepared to manage a team that would only be at the WC to make up the numbers. He wants to stay with us because, in his own words, "the story isn't finished".

We have a chance. We need to decide what we want to be: Australia winning the Asian Cup or Celtic winning the domestic Treble. Ange has already done the former. Are we going to give him the chance to do the latter?
 
Nobody3 said:
Anyone who champions Ange and Ange-Ball is a football incompetent! That includes any of our current squad. What!! I hear you say!
I'll back that statement up by asking how many top players have failed as top managers? More than have succeeded is the answer you are looking for.
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Don't do it, don't do it, don't do it...



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Whoops :D
 
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