Why does everyone keep referring to then as kids? It’s not like they are in their teens or 20s. They are both in their 60s afaik.
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After the disgusting way Levy treated Jol to name but one classless act I have zero sympathy for him . Why does he deserve to be treated any better than he treated others is my view
He doesn't.
But- the the thing is.
Other than Mourinho and Conte ( and for obvious reasons they don't count ).
All the previous managers : Harry, Jol and Poch have stayed friends with him and very much appear to like him.
Harry said yesterday. He liked working with Daniel and he was always fair.
I don't actually think Levy is a bad bloke - arguably nicer than the average Chairman.
He just had a ceiling football wise.
He was like his managers - not quite good enough.
My point was with reference to what the club has done locally and that would have been driven by Levy.
I don’t know enough about Joe Lewis to comment with any authority of how he’s earned his millions nor what he does from a philanthropic point of view.
Bloody hell. 3rd largest debt in world football. Cheers Dan
Exactly my feelings. Frank seems like a smart manager who gets the best out of what he is given. But even if we had a good first season you know levy wouldn’t keep that momentum going & build on it. He would leave frank short & then the wheels come off as per usual.
As my dear old mum, rest her soul, used to say, two wrongs don't make a right.
But this is not about whether or not we sympathise with Levy. It's business, get over it. Instead it's a question about what kind of game the Lewis family are playing to try and get supporters on their side.
It's clumsy.
How do you build a stadium without debt?!
The debt has been used to build the club, not line individual’s pockets like the debt saddled on United.
Oh sorry yeah. I was talking about the owners & Joe Lewis in comparison to owners of other clubs. Rather than what chairmen do in the community side of things.
I know . It was to do with someone saying we won’t be able to invest lots on players because of that debt. The stadium debt won’t be a big issue at all from what I have read.
It’s like an episode of succession as someone said earlier . Joe is 88 & not cognitively at his best. The kids conspire behind his back & throw his long term loyal & right hand man under the bus!
Maybe in his will he has left it all to Danny boy to teach his kids a harsh lesson!
We'll see there, he's their father after all. I highly doubt that he doesn't have a say. Hopefully not, but I'm sceptical.
Indeed. As he should be because he's seen massive growth on his investment without have to put a penny more in than the purchase price.
I can't help but think of John Paul Getty, who's only obsession in life was his money. His family came second to that. He was involved until the day he died.
"May have" being key here. We don't really know and all we have is a statement of intent that really isn't backed up by anything, hence why the concern is valid. It's not just politicians that lie through their teeth.
Agreed. However, I do believe that Levy has the best interests of the club at heart, even if he didn't have the desire to take enough risks to get that final step. Maybe it's because of the risk that he was so cautious?
Could be, they could also be money hungry as well. Only time will tell there. The fact that we don't know, but do know that their old man is, is justifiable cause for a degree of concern.
It's not fact at all. The only "fact" we have is that the Lewis family directed the review. It may well be her, but at the moment all you have to go on there is your supposition, that's not a fact, it's a hypothesis.
See above. It's just as likely it's Charles, he's a Tavistock director as well.
I truly hope that you're right on this, I really do, but allow me my reservations. We've been burnt too many times before.
I won't argue with any of that, but it really has nothing to do with my concern going forward. Levy is now the past, it's the future that, for us, is uncertain.
Again, stop trying to make this about Levy. Although I'm fully aware this is the Levy out thread, the post I made was in relation to what follows and my concerns there. You give off a "Levy's gone so everything will be sunbeams and rainbows" vibe, without considering that there are possibly worse scenarios for us. It is a very real possibility that we'll end up achieving more without him, but the possibility of getting worse is also real. I'm not going to ignore the possibility of worse just because you choose to.
Precisely. Exciting and worrying in equal measure for me.
Again, I couldn't care less if we are presented with a good player, I want us to shell out for the right player(s). They don't always cost the earth, but when they do, if they're right, then yes, whatever it takes to get them.
I was chatting to my old man about why Levy was removed, and another thought occurred to me. Levy has shown he is a Wizard at growing a business to realise enormous returns. Maybe ENIC/Tavistock have looked at the situation and decided he's taken the project as far as his skillset can, so they're going to reallocate him to another business venture where he can put his skills to best use. To grow the brand further, we need the on pitch success, so they're moving towards that with the restructure?
I know this aligns with what you think will happen, and I've never denied the possibility. What concerns me most is that what sudden reason have we, in particular those who have so vehemently hated their stewardship, to suddenly believe that they can now be trusted?
Personally, I think the blind hatred of Levy, and your euphoria at him being removed, has blinded you to the fact that it is the Lewis' that have had the ultimate authority from day one. Why now when they're in their 60's? Why haven't they been campaigning from within, all those times when we got really close and just needed that extra push, to put the money in and take that final step? Were they vetoed by their old man every time? They had absolutely no influence at all?
I ain't buying that just yet. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, so I'll believe it when I see it.
Fingers crossed you're right and we do have someone now willing to do what it takes to put us on top of the pile.
Well I will certainly hope for the best whilst fearing the worst . None of the fans of other clubs ENIC have owned speak highly of them . We need to hope that’s on Levy and not ENIC as a whole, fingers crossed .
Not leveraged though (ala ManU) is it? Plus the fact the repayment interest is so low (due to covid) the banks are drooling over the possibility of a change of ownership....which is a huge (imo) hurdle to get over for any prospective buyer.
F that bald cunt
He’s treated managers far worse than this.
Simpleton. Absolute simpleton
This again, how many more times? Alan Sugar ran the club conservatively and well within its means.Well we’ll see won’t we!
He might have been well remunerated, but neither him or ENIC have taken substantial dividends out of the club like the Glazers when they quite easily could have.
Their investment has grown but so has the club.
‘It’s a disgrace how badly he has run us’Do me a favour!
There was no financial mess to pick through and deal with. Sugar had sorted all that out during his reign.
Its one of the reasons Enic bought Spurs, they weren’t going to have to plough millions in righting the ship.
How is the debt irrelevant when it is increasing?