Another one with an ego substantially higher than his ability. Nowhere near as good in reality as he is in his head.
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I get what you’re saying, but people handle things differently. What one person shrugs off, another spirals from, and pretending everyone has the same mental armour just because they’re well paid isn’t how real life works. I don’t think any of them are casting themselves as victims. That’s your take, based on the idea that high wages mean they should absorb absolutely anything that’s thrown their way. That’s entitlement in itself. Paying for a ticket doesn’t give anyone a free pass to unload whatever they like, any more than it would in any other job.
They apologise plenty, we just tend not to accept it and instead turn into experts on body language and tone. Some of them aren’t good enough, sure, but that’s a recruitment issue. It’s not their fault they’re here, being picked, and sent out to play. Critique them all you like, I’ve no issue with that, I just don’t think booing them during a match or every time they touch the ball does anything other than make the person doing it feel better. It’s not about righteousness, it’s just common sense if we’re all supposed to be pulling in the same direction for ninety minutes.
Yes, players in the past dealt with horrific abuse, and some handled it with incredible strength. Others didn’t, and the outcomes for people like Fashanu and Speed show exactly why mental resilience isn’t uniform. None of that means modern players are superhuman or that fans have licence to behave however they like. You can call it pretentious if you want, but for me it’s just basic logic: turning on your own mid-game doesn’t help them, doesn’t help the team, and doesn’t change results. If anything, it pushes people into their shell.
Anyway, this has been done to death. We’re clearly not going to agree, and that’s fine. I’m not angry about the booing, I just don’t think it works and nothing you’ve said convinces me otherwise.
It's not "my take".
It is also nothing to do with the wages they earn. I referenced that to juxtapose Porro and Vicario's current situation against the situation faced by players like Cyrille Regis, in the 1970's, on far less remuneration.
My take on Vicario and Porro portraying themselves as victims is based on reports currently leaking out of the Spurs camp.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uYZy1tEBxY
It is your take though, because you’re leaning on leaked reports and assumptions about their mindset rather than anything they have actually said. You referenced wages to draw a comparison, but that comparison is the whole point I’m pushing back on. Some players handle abuse in a way that looks strong from the outside, others spiral. That doesn’t make them victims, it just makes them human. You’re reading “playing the victim” into it because you think that earning big money means they should be able to swallow anything that comes their way.
I’m feeling absolutely fine, thanks. I don’t need to jump up and down like a petulant kid because a player didn’t follow my imaginary controller inputs, nor do I need to fire off a toddler-level gif to make my point. If booing makes you feel entitled and powerful for a few seconds, crack on, but don’t mistake that for some grand statement of standards. I’ll stick to supporting the team without the tantrums treacle.
I juxtaposed the wages of the modern players against the wages of players from the 70's who had to deal with real abuse and injustice but chose to deal with it in a different way, to members of the current Spurs squad, in respect of how they reacted to vocal cricism or abuse.
You are choosing to conflate what I said into a false scenario where because the supporters pay high ticket prices they can say what they like to the players.
I have never said that, or words to that effect.
That is your own invention.
If you believe my inference was along those lines then quote it.
I’m feeling absolutely fine, thanks. I don’t need to jump up and down like a petulant kid because a player didn’t follow my imaginary controller inputs, nor do I need to fire off a toddler-level gif to make my point. If booing makes you feel entitled and powerful for a few seconds, crack on, but don’t mistake that for some grand statement of standards. I’ll stick to supporting the team without the tantrums treacle.
You did reference it, though. You said “The people who are booing have been paying top dollar to watch this charade for 6 consecutive seasons now.” That is, in plain terms, using price to justify the booing. Then you doubled down by saying “These millionaire footballers are actually a fucking disgrace. Cyrille Regis, and many other professional footballers, have had to deal with genuine injustice without the benefits and rewards that many modern players now take for granted.”I juxtaposed the wages of the modern players against the wages of players from the 70's who had to deal with real abuse and injustice but chose to deal with it in a different way, to members of the current Spurs squad, in respect of how they reacted to vocal cricism or abuse.
You are choosing to conflate what I said into a false scenario where because the supporters pay high ticket prices they can say what they like to the players.
I have never said that, or words to that effect.
That is your own invention.
If you believe my inference was along those lines then quote it.
You did reference it, though. You said “The people who are booing have been paying top dollar to watch this charade for 6 consecutive seasons now.” That is, in plain terms, using price to justify the booing. Then you doubled down by saying “These millionaire footballers are actually a fucking disgrace. Cyrille Regis, and many other professional footballers, have had to deal with genuine injustice without the benefits and rewards that many modern players now take for granted.”
Those are actual quotes you said and that exactly the comparison I was responding to.
So no, I’m not inventing anything.
That’s your take, based on the idea that high wages mean they should absorb absolutely anything that’s thrown their way. That’s entitlement in itself. Paying for a ticket doesn’t give anyone a free pass to unload whatever they like, any more than it would in any other job.
Not attending games covers both issues.People paying top dollar for tickets is a statement of fact.
How else can supporters express their disatisfaction?
In fairness even Thomas Frank stated that he had no problem with people/ the paying public booing the whole team at the end of the game . It happens at La Scala and at the Cannes Film Festival ( even though no-ones actually paid to get in ) .
It was the singling out of a particular player after a calamitous ricket that he was , rightly, opposed to .
What has ice cube got to do with this? Jeering has been going on for ages, not since yesterday so the shit football is nothing new. Also we're not talking exclusively about season ticket holders.Should they have left the stadium when they got the urge to boo Vicario or waited until their season ticket runs out?
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What has ice cube got to do with this? Jeering has been going on for ages, not since yesterday so the shit football is nothing new. Also we're not talking exclusively about season ticket holders.
It's not "my take".
It is also nothing to do with the wages they earn. I referenced that to juxtapose Porro and Vicario's current situation against the situation faced by players like Cyrille Regis, in the 1970's, on far less remuneration.
My take on Vicario and Porro portraying themselves as victims is based on reports currently leaking out of the Spurs camp.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uYZy1tEBxY
What has ice cube got to do with this? Jeering has been going on for ages, not since yesterday so the shit football is nothing new. Also we're not talking exclusively about season ticket goldersShould they have left the stadium when they got the urge to boo Vicario or waited until their season ticket runs out?
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Yes, stop going to games. It's easier than crying about how much travel, lunch and drinking has cost you on top of the gameOK; should they have demanded a refund on their One Hotspur membership in a strongly worded letter to Charrington?
Ice cube is present because he is an option when you type 'what' into the gif search.
Anything else?
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