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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?

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latman said:
For the folk that are saying he's probably going to get a few seasons as the board intend to copy the Arteta blue print.

The problem with this is that Frank's philosophy is all negative.

At first I thought he was just fixing the defensive shambles left behind by Ange. And that to me seemed very sensible nearer the start of the season.

But it's very clear now this is his vision of how we're to play.

So we're going to get better at what exactly if we're to keep Frank long-tern?

His whole mindset, the very premise of his philosophy is about stopping the opposition and negating them.

Rather than how we can affect the opposition and control games on the front foot.

And at home, against the majority of the league, that's what we should be setting out to do.

So what's going to change, is Frank suddenly out of the blue going to do this?

He's not the right fit for this Club at all. It looked odd at the time when we went for him, and it's been an utter disappointment.

It's remiss of the board to not sack him now (notwithstanding the heavy compensation)
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The difference is Arteta's team at their worse while they did go on bad runs certainly had an identity. Games they lost would typically see them create decent attacks and have something about them. You could see they would get better.

Frank has shown nothing and we are just as bad as we have been since the end of 2023.
 
Juno said:
Therein I suspect lies the problem. If you look at the Man U situation, the hierarchy were probably caught on the hop a bit when Amorim basically came out and asked to be sacked after Leeds game last week and left them with no other option. They clearly didn’t have even a Plan A for an interim manager in that regard and could been end up with Ole Gunnar as interim manager. If you go back to Amorim replacing Ten Hag in November of last season, there was zero new manager bounce and results actually got worse.

I have been in the Frank out camp for a while as the job is just simply too big for him and there’s no future in him here. I have come around in the last week though to the view that possibly should be Frank out at the end of the season. We’ve already had 3 mid-season sackings in the 7 seasons prior to this, when Pochettino and Nuno were sacked, we had Mourinho and Conte waiting in the wings. When Mourinho was fired week of League Cup Final, we were in April, there weren’t many games left in the season and we limped home with Ryan Mason.

It’s a long time from early January to end of season limping home with an interim a manger that quite possibly hasn’t even been identified yet.

It’s far from an ideal scenario, but I feel it may be least worst. Results haven’t gone our way last 7 days, but there were signs of encouragement at various stages in Sunderland, Bournemouth and Villa games that simply weren’t there in the dirge of Crystal Palace and Brentford games.
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Exactly where I'm at mate. Fully acknowledge I might be wrong and the team may fly up the ladder under some interim but while Frank isn't my cup of tea in style/ideology he is a very accomplished manager and, being conservative about these things, I'd have him in charge until or unless a VERY good replacement is identified.
 
postbox said:
When we concede the same goals repeatedly, predictably, it's tactical.

That said - I agree completely with your last sentence, and I believe that person primarily to be the manager.

Set the standards, demand the levels, make sure the players are on board...

But on balance, right now, Frank is by far the biggest problem

As Ange was before - so that whole comparison is moot really

None of which is to say the players can't be better and do better, or the squad shouldnt be improved.
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But if Nuno, Mourinho, Conte, Postecoglou, and now Frank are all suffering the same thing, how is primarily the manager?

You have players and fans saying the last manager was loved by the players, but yet you still had the same league performances.

We can't just look at it like a new manager is going to magically make us into a title-challenging club with a Temu squad pretending to be gucci but playing like primark
 
CaptainCabinets said:
Think he will get the West Ham game as a final shot (which I don't think we will win). The board will think it would destabilise the squad if he does go before hand without realising we are already at that stage anyway.
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Imagine losing at home to that lot at this time?

Not sure the stadium would be standing the next day

I'm terms of timing, it's mid-Jan, there's a ticking clock on supporting a new manager

And also, right now, a week between games for the first time in ages - move quickly and new guy can have some time with the players...
 
CJJ said:
But if Nuno, Mourinho, Conte, Postecoglou, and now Frank are all suffering the same thing, how is primarily the manager?

You have players and fans saying the last manager was loved by the players, but yet you still had the same league performances.

We can't just look at it like a new manager is going to magically make us into a title-challenging club with a Temu squad pretending to be gucci but playing like primark
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The problems were different under each even if the symptoms look similar

And fact is, as I said, the managers job is to set the tone - to get it right

Means having the players belief (Ange), having a winning conviction (Conte), having the right system to win games and to entertain fans, getting the most out of the squad ...

...it's a big ask, but that's the job, and it's why it's so hard to get the right person

We do not have a Teemu squad, you make yourself look foolish saying so. It's a squad lacking balance, that certainly needs improving, but it's not as bad as you like to make out

Nobody denies it can and should be improved, despite you arguing as if that's the case.

I and others have been saying for ages Frank is not getting the most out of them, second half yesterday proved it beyond doubt.
 
postbox said:
We do not have a Teemu squad, you make yourself look foolish saying so. It's a squad lacking balance, that certainly needs improving, but it's not as bad as you like to make out

Nobody denies it can and should be improved, despite you arguing as if that's the case.

I and others have been saying for ages Frank is not getting the most out of them, second half yesterday proved it beyond doubt.
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That's a strawman.

You literally started this by saying:

postbox said:
This is management, not players
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CJJ said:
That's a strawman.

You literally started this by saying:
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No it's not.

It's a consistent argument being made for ages now

You and others come down on the players as shit, not good enough, Teemu...

I and others say they're a lot better than Frank is showing - as Franks set up is not getting the best from them. That's not the same as saying the squad can't or shouldnt be improved. Two things can be true at once.

I get told Franks tactics are all we can aspire to - that bollocks

I get told if Frank had better players we would play better football - not true imo

I get told all the fault is the players - again not true

Second half with a licence to go for it? Best football all season - us being poor is Franks design (/limitation)

Do all the mental gymnastics you like to absolve him, the evidence is there against him far more than the players
 
I'm watching the Derby vs Leeds cup game and how the fuck can both teams play tika-taka esque front foot football, with a nice mix eg wingers hugging the touchline or coming in depending on the attack situation... through balls to strikers... bravery on the ball in a congested midfield etc ??

Burn this fucking club to the ground and start again. And you can put that pussyhole Lange and our recruitment scouts at the top of the pyre ....
 
Skeletor said:
I'm watching the Derby vs Leeds cup game and how the fuck can both teams play tika-taka esque front foot football, with a nice mix eg wingers hugging the touchline or coming in depending on the attack situation... through balls to strikers... bravery on the ball in a congested midfield etc ??

Burn this fucking club to the ground and start again. And you can put that pussyhole Lange and our recruitment scouts at the top of the pyre ....
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Some here will tell you it's because they have better players than us

Reality is those players are better coached...
 
Beyond all reasoning to keep Frank now. Yes the availability of a new coach is limited, but an interim is essential at this stage, cannot keep going the way we are or he will bring us to the precipice of relegation. Get it done.
 
CJJ said:
Yet they came out at half time with hot coals under them.
Same manager.

Those first half performances were there under the last manager, and luckily there are extended highlights on you tube if anyone fancies checking it out.

We'll get nowhere pretending 'tactics' is the only reason why vicario is letting in 32% of the shots he's faced

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Why do you continue with the Ange obsession? I am genuinely curious. I think you really like Frank, you want him to do well but he's let you down badly and you are scrambling to find small crumbs of comfort like "well at least Frank is better than Ange". Did Ange hurt you or a close family member? I've never known such an obsession...
 
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