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moley said:
Roberto Carlos would struggle in last season's system, mate.
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Yeah. I wanted to add that even the Dani Alves from 2-3 years ago, Roberto Carlos and Phillip Lahm would have problems in that system.
The only player type I could imagine to fit Tims formation are center backs moved on the left or right side. Like Ivanovic or maybe Vertonghen. But then the first ones here would moan about their incapability in the attack movement :carrollwtf:

So I really hope that Poch can get the best out of Rose aswell as Townsend, Lennon and the other generally hated players in our squad...
 
Quaresma7 said:
Yeah. I wanted to add that even the Dani Alves from 2-3 years ago, Roberto Carlos and Phillip Lahm would have problems in that system.
The only player type I could imagine to fit Tims formation are center backs moved on the left or right side. Like Ivanovic or maybe Vertonghen. But then the first ones here would moan about their incapability in the attack movement :carrollwtf:

So I really hope that Poch can get the best out of Rose aswell as Townsend, Lennon and the other generally hated players in our squad...
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Half the battle is won by simply playing a player who plays left wing, on the left wing.
 
Quaresma7 said:
Yeah. I wanted to add that even the Dani Alves from 2-3 years ago, Roberto Carlos and Phillip Lahm would have problems in that system.
The only player type I could imagine to fit Tims formation are center backs moved on the left or right side. Like Ivanovic or maybe Vertonghen. But then the first ones here would moan about their incapability in the attack movement :carrollwtf:

So I really hope that Poch can get the best out of Rose aswell as Townsend, Lennon and the other generally hated players in our squad...
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No Lennon for me ;) (and especially because of Poch), but I certainly agree with your primary point nonetheless.
 
Quaresma7 said:
Yeah. I wanted to add that even the Dani Alves from 2-3 years ago, Roberto Carlos and Phillip Lahm would have problems in that system.
The only player type I could imagine to fit Tims formation are center backs moved on the left or right side. Like Ivanovic or maybe Vertonghen. But then the first ones here would moan about their incapability in the attack movement :carrollwtf:

So I really hope that Poch can get the best out of Rose aswell as Townsend, Lennon and the other generally hated players in our squad...
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If rose stays, it should be as a backup left winger IMO. He should be nowhere near a back line regardless who is in front of him.
 
gibbs131 said:
If rose stays, it should be as a backup left winger IMO. He should be nowhere near a back line regardless who is in front of him.
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I think that's the most likely possibility. The question then is, who is brought in to replace/compete with him? Why not someone who already knows the tactics and would likely require less adaptation time? Or do you advocate we go after one of the best wingbacks available (Rodriguez, Dodo, Nagatomo) and hope they adjust in little time?
 
GeorgeKirchner7 said:
I think Holtby could be an important player for us now as Pochettino loves a player with a high work ethic.
Also, Holtby loves running around like a headless chicken. :holtbytongue:
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I think there's a great chance of that happening. But Holtby is going to have to learn to pace himself to enhance his stamina, as that's a core essential to Poch's central midfield mantra (see Schneiderlin). He's also going to have to get a bit better about shying away from getting stuck in against the big fellas.
 
cahspur said:
Agree with this almost entirely: http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/mauricio-pochettino-spurs-winners-and-losers

...and especially the bit on Dembele (re: lack of pressing). Is a quick read, and worth the couple minutes or so.
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He said Dembele had a "restrictive skillset".

He is our most well rounded player IMO. What restricted him was AVB

‘The coach has explained that he makes a tactical choice, he wants more defensive players in midfield,’ he said. ‘I can’t be satisfied with it, of course, I just want to play as many games.’
 
ArcspacE said:
And technically the most gifted, imv - he goes past players like road-signs!
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The strange thing is the article basically said that Dembele could do everything his Southhampton counterpart was doing...apart from his passing, creativity etc etc was better. Then he said the problem is "pressing". I mean there are some things that are just almost intangible tactic based aspects that we have not really had to deal with. Pressing happens off the ball. Since Dembele has a fantastic passing rate, the team as a whole has less pressing to do. And even then, if he is instructed to press, he can press.

Then you have another argument: Dembele should be an AM in my opinion. And press/pressure off the ball further up the pitch.
 
gibbs131 said:
He said Dembele had a "restrictive skillset".

He is our most well rounded player IMO. What restricted him was AVB

‘The coach has explained that he makes a tactical choice, he wants more defensive players in midfield,’ he said. ‘I can’t be satisfied with it, of course, I just want to play as many games.’
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Ah, nit-picking now in your desperation. You'll note the "almost entirely" in front of the link, as I think the author is overexagerrating his ineptitude in the final third and I do agree he is a very well-rounded midfielder when fit. However, the rest is spot on as to why he very well could struggle in Poch's system. You could try reading that article I posted for you about Bielsa/Poch tactics that you refused to read in order to understand why this is so, and then you could come back with an informed but respectful opinion if you do still disagree. I'll be happy to engage in an appropriate dialogue with you should you choose to do so.
 
gibbs131 said:
The strange thing is the article basically said that Dembele could do everything his Southhampton counterpart was doing...apart from his passing, creativity etc etc was better. Then he said the problem is "pressing". I mean there are some things that are just almost intangible tactic based aspects that we have not really had to deal with. Pressing happens off the ball. Since Dembele has a fantastic passing rate, the team as a whole has less pressing to do. And even then, if he is instructed to press, he can press.

Then you have another argument: Dembele should be an AM in my opinion. And press/pressure off the ball further up the pitch.
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Well done sir, a very nice post. I disagree he should be used as an AM because of his adversity to take on the back line, and I disagree that he can press according to Poch's demands, but I very much like your well-reasoned first paragraph and some of the points within. :thumbup:
 
cahspur said:
I disagree he should be used as an AM because of his adversity to take on the back line
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From the 2014 end of season article.

Combined XI: Team of Premier League top dribblers. Featuring Eden Hazard, Luis Suarez and Ross Barkley

Dembele, 5 of 11. "Dembele has completed the most take-ons for Tottenham Hotspur this season, along with Andros Townsend. The 26-year-old has a success rate of 83% and rarely fails to emerge with the ball following a one on one situation."

http://www.squawka.com/news/combine...rez-and-ross-barkley/98077/attachment/4375734
 
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