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Lets see...This is you to me in the past 24 hours:

Whatever, guy. This forum is now littered with your elicited attacks on my posts, even as of this morning. The trend is what you've established. Your childishness with the accumulating Kaboul heads doesn't help your case out either.

Exactly, in a whole thread full of views from others making opinions you've adamantly expressed disagreement with. And you targeted my post with one comment from the article despite my prefacing with "almost entirely." Whether you believe it or not is entirely fine, but it's yet another chapter in the recent series of you hunting my posts and attempting to discredit me specifically. For the sake of this forum, please stop.

Which yet further serves my point since you've removed all context. Thanks mate.


Come now, let's not try your typical twisting. Move on.

Ah, nit-picking now in your desperation.

Gibbs, we've been over this a merciless amount of times and every time you flaunt your inability in reading comprehension. If you want to chalk that to up to being pretentious, then so be it. But I'm weary of having to repeat myself because you cannot or refuse to appropriately read points made to you.

And yes, I have never seen you once discuss cause and effect in tangible terms, so I do believe you lack understanding in many complexities of this game. This is more than sufficient evidence to it:

Your abstracted connections made by failure to connect obvious dots are always amusing. But nonetheless, evidence that you're hopeless to discuss these things with.

Well this sums things up quite nicely per my issues with Gibbs, as I've nicely mentioned these same points almost exactly paraphrased to him in the past (albeit pre-Poch to use a specific coach as an example) and he's argued with it while giving you a "like." :rolleyes: What an interesting bloke, indeed.

You know good n well it's not your information I take issue with here, it was your manner of response and delivery.

Even if that is what he actually believed verbatim, you've had far more ridiculous and "obtuse" ideas on here be treated with far more decency and respect in the responses than you afforded CJ with this one. Your behavior on this discussion is inexcusable, and no one will take it seriously if your point is delivered in such a manner. If you continue to argue this, you will only be digging yourself a deeper hole, so I suggest you drop it and discuss the real topic at hand in an appropriate manner.

Your desperation is showing Gibbsy ol boy. How about you mature a bit and move on?

This is absolutely incorrect, and it's easily identified as such by anyone who's sufficiently read through this thread, so I shan't merit it the response you were hoping to galvanize.

I'm curious Gibbs, are you a fan of American football and/or rugby? I think those may a bit more suitable to your tastes and understanding of sport.

Gibbs, there is absolutely no excuse for the manner in which you responded to a post simply pointing out rules and numbers, nor in the manner in which you've continued this debate. Abhorrent behavior for a discussion, and that's even by your own standards.


NEVER RED
 
He was used as a DM. So compared to Paulinho who was given more rope, Dembele only had 14 shots at goal. This along with his heat maps etc tells you (and he will himself) that he was used in a defensive midfield role.

You are right about the glass ceiling. That was DM tactics shackling him. To put it in perspective, Bentaleb has played 11 games, and had more shots at goal than Dembele who's had twice as many games.
No player is ever totally fixed in a position, I bet u if Toure/ Ramsey were deployed as DM they would stil have wanderieng runs during the match. Last time I checked Tim didn't like DM's who solely defended, and I don't think we can blame to for dembele not going forward at times.

A perfect example of a DM who still manage's to go forward and score or assist is Fernandinho, he has to cover a toure who rarely defends.

Maybe you'll say its just Tim's fault, but the even in Dembele most prolific season, playing as a CM partnered with Sandro he lacked drive and conviction.
 
I would personally like to see a line-up like this

Lloris
(a positionally aware) Walker Lovren Vertonghen Davies

Sandro

Paulinho Erikssen

Lennon (someone better) (a magically improved) Lamela

Adebayor

I've deliberately kept, aside from Lovren and Davies as I think those links hold water, the rest of the squad the same. I would love Holtby to come back, and think Capoue is capable understudy for when Sandro misses 6 months of the season.

If Rodriguez was to join or Lukaku I would be chuffed. That aside, I can't see a great deal of incomings.
 
One thing I hope Poch does not do is pander to fans, chairman or players.

I don't want to to see Daws starting because he's the captain. I don't want Lennon to be played because of time served. I don't want to see Soldado play because of his price tag etc. I don't want to see Chadli starting ahead of Lamela because he scored 4 in the world cup etc.
 
One thing I hope Poch does not do is pander to fans, chairman or players.

I don't want to to see Daws starting because he's the captain. I don't want Lennon to be played because of time served. I don't want to see Soldado play because of his price tag etc. I don't want to see Chadli starting ahead of Lamela because he scored 4 in the world cup etc.
I don't understand? In all seriousness, why do you think Lamela is not a 'tiny dancer' as you put it but Townsend and Lennon are?

I've seen nothing from Erik to suggest he has anymore strength on the ball and he doesn't quite have the vision people like to think he has. Really, what is it? Also why would Chadli scoring 4 at the world cup (it would be a very impressive achievement) not merit him a start? You seem to think price tag shouldn't come into it, yet you think Lamela should be starting over Chadli based on what reason exactly?
 
I don't understand? In all seriousness, why do you think Lamela is not a 'tiny dancer' as you put it but Townsend and Lennon are?

Goals and creativity.

I've said he is every bit as useless as Townsend off the ball. But I wish he had taken his 56 shots at goal and 100+ crosses and 100's of passes and through balls. He would not have 1 goal and no prem assists out of it like Townsend did.
 
Goals and creativity.

I've said he is every bit as useless as Townsend off the ball. But I wish he had taken his 56 shots at goal and 100+ crosses and 100's of passes and through balls. He would not have 1 goal and no prem assists out of it like Townsend did.
Alright, I know we have pretty much polar opposite views on Townsend but hear me out here. Until Adebayor came into the team our finishing was on a new level of atrocious. It was absolutely terrible and I could probably find about 10 examples where Townsend put it on a plate for Bobby or Jemaine or whoever else was in the middle and they fluffed the chance. I mean look at Lamela's assist against Cardiff, if the finishing on the end of Townsend passes/crosses had been has good I'd have no doubt he'd of had between 5 and 10 assists.

It's the oldest cliche in the book. You never sign a player based off a tournament.

I am a Chadli fan btw. He makes the bench for me.
Not quite the same thing as we've already seen what Chadli can do. But it's a fair point still.
 
The thing is that Townsend indeed had some "flair-moments" and I remember some really nice through balls and crosses aswell. And you're right, it was often an awful finishing that denied him the assist. I remember an excellent ball from the edge of the box in the middle and directly into Paulinhos way and the Brazilian had a lot of space and time and missed so awful I had to cry.

But then there were these lots of long shots and missed opportunities to pass that destroyed the reminder of all these genius moments. Is stand by but I said, he has to work on his decisions and then he can be a great player.
 
Alright, I know we have pretty much polar opposite views on Townsend but hear me out here. Until Adebayor came into the team our finishing was on a new level of atrocious. It was absolutely terrible and I could probably find about 10 examples where Townsend put it on a plate for Bobby or Jemaine or whoever else was in the middle and they fluffed the chance. I mean look at Lamela's assist against Cardiff, if the finishing on the end of Townsend passes/crosses had been has good I'd have no doubt he'd of had between 5 and 10 assists.

Out of all the players I talk shit about, Townsend is the one I like the most. I just think his style is too ingrained to change. If Poch and co worked on him for a year, cup games here and there etc he could come REALLY good. But I don't want to see him in the prem at all.

Then again, I have been against the old boys network of coaches (and manager) so perhaps he can learn with real coaches. And our facilities are some of the best in the world. The payoff with him is huge, but it's a gamble IMO.

One thing is for sure, his season would have gone a lot different with Ade and Kane up front to aim for. His crossing is poor IMO, but he has the skill to make way more crosses in the first place than Lennon because he beats his man so often.
 
One thing is for sure, his season would have gone a lot different with Ade and Kane up front to aim for. His crossing is poor IMO, but he has the skill to make way more crosses in the first place than Lennon because he beats his man so often.
Crosses per se mean nothing. M Utd. had more crosses than any team last season. Also, do you think Poch will play with two strikers?
 
Kaboul has a year left on his contract. IMO this season if we get a top CB, he should be used as backup. Not for CB, but right back. Naughton is not good enough, but Kaboul IMO is less Kaboom on the right. He's done a job there many times. He has the pace for it so why get rid now he's fit? The transfer money we get won't be worth a really good backup player IMO. Plus if we get another horror show at CB he can fill in.
 
Ok, but do you think, or would you like, Poch to play two up front?

Kinda...

----------------Kane--------------
--Eriksen----Ade------Lamela-
----fit/formDM--fit/formDM-----

Ade hardly plays as a classic striker, he's all over the shop. In his first season he got 11 prem assists. IMO we need 2 big players in the final third in order for Eriksen and Lamela to get space.

I think Ade changes up play well, including ending up on the wings or deep to change things up.

Failing that Ade up front but it has to be a powerful AM next to the little dudes. Otherwise it will just be soft Spurs Ramos era.
 
I really feel inadequate! I do not see what others see, regards Chadli. At 6.2" he is obviously big/strong but as a wide-ish player, he is laborious. Any half pacey defender will/dose restrict him. Not tenacious or creative enough to play further in field and I can't remember the last time he used his height advantage to get on the end of anything?

Educate me please. And I am not being factious!

COYS!!
 
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