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Management An Historic Day
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I'll take a CL final and regular CL appearances, plus going deep in multiple cups year after year over winning a Carling cup or two any day of the week.
There is only 1 clear answer.
The club has been planning for and building the new stadium. The priority for Redknapp, AVB, Poch was to raise the level of the club such that we are champions league regulars. FA cup and Milk cup were not the priority.
We succeeded; in part due to the collapse of Woolwich and United.
And just as Spurs reach a period of rebuild (as every club does) - Liverpool have risen from the Ashes, United are improving (and will get better when Poch joins in summer) and Chelsea/Woolwich are building very strong squads. Add to that the improvement in other teams around us - Leicester, Wolves.
Mourinho has been brought in to secure top 4 at all costs. With our injury list; I cannot imagine FA Cup will be used to risk injury to players needed for the run in.
The club has been planning for and building the new stadium. The priority for Redknapp, AVB, Poch was to raise the level of the club such that we are champions league regulars. FA cup and Milk cup were not the priority.
We succeeded; in part due to the collapse of Woolwich and United.
And just as Spurs reach a period of rebuild (as every club does) - Liverpool have risen from the Ashes, United are improving (and will get better when Poch joins in summer) and Chelsea/Woolwich are building very strong squads. Add to that the improvement in other teams around us - Leicester, Wolves.
Mourinho has been brought in to secure top 4 at all costs. With our injury list; I cannot imagine FA Cup will be used to risk injury to players needed for the run in.
Modern day success is only sustainable with money though. If people can stomach it or not that's a different thing completely.
Outright Winning Carabao Cup = £100k
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Outright Winning the FA Cup = £3.6m
Emirates FA Cup prize fund
The Emirates FA Cup prize fund listed round-by-round for season 2019-20
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Winning a group game in the Champions League = €2.7m
Winning a knockout game in the Champions League = €10.5m (£8.8m)
Winners of 2019/20 Champions League could receive over 80 million euros in prize money
The winners of next season's Champions League could receive more than 80 million euros in prize money.Teams will be financially rewarded for...
When it comes tomattracting players, the money is vital to doing so, its the nature of the beast. As fans we all want silverware but the guys who have shares in the ownership of the club and want money in order to invest further? All I'll say is winning 1 knockout round in the Champions League gets the coffers a staggering EIGHT THOUSAND, EIGHT HUNDRED PERCENT MORE than winning the Carabao Cup.
Money helps buy top players, we have protised having the money so that we can grow as a club. It's not glamorous or beautiful but it helps to get us big enough to have beautiful moments Jerry. It's growth and if growth continues 4th becomes 2nd, finalists become winners but of course it's not a natural trajectory always, there's always obstacles like emerging rivals, players wanting to leave, injuries a lack of form, not getting the right players in, morale etc. How we do it is the epitome of the saying it's not a sprint it's a marathon but sadly it's the right way to go about it even if I do believe we should have taken a few more risks here and there matey.
A little bit of all of them I’d say:
They don’t prioritise winning things over financial safety....
The would love to win things but the foundations must be laid first.....
Some managers have been shite, and some have bottled the big occasion....
Unlucky for sure, certainly at the wrong time we have been, a hot firing Kane going into the CL final over what we did get for example.....
The foundations have all but been laid, we have a manager who won’t bottle the big occasion and we are certainly due a run of luck with injuries......Total domination awaits #COYS
They don’t prioritise winning things over financial safety....
The would love to win things but the foundations must be laid first.....
Some managers have been shite, and some have bottled the big occasion....
Unlucky for sure, certainly at the wrong time we have been, a hot firing Kane going into the CL final over what we did get for example.....
The foundations have all but been laid, we have a manager who won’t bottle the big occasion and we are certainly due a run of luck with injuries......Total domination awaits #COYS
It can be argued that ENIC could have been braver at times over these years. There was investment however. Some of our transfers haven't been a success for various reasons, but then again every club faces these problems. I am of the opinion we have a problem in the transfer market due to a bad scouting network and the lack of a director of football. We need to make sure the money we have is spent on the right players.
As for us not winning trophies, beyond ENIC's ambition (or lack of it), there have been other factors, too. There were times when we didn't prioritise cups and lost to awful teams or simply bottled it when we came close to winning trophies. Since we won our last trophy, Wigan and Portsmouth won an FA Cup and Swansea and Birmingham City won the League Cup. There's no way those teams were better than us. So the point is, others could do it and so could have we.
I also believe we could have done a better job during the years we played in the Europa. Among the teams we lost against are Gent, Fiorentina and Basel. I could also add Benfica, but some might be tempted to say they are somehow world beaters, so I'll leave them out.
As for us not winning trophies, beyond ENIC's ambition (or lack of it), there have been other factors, too. There were times when we didn't prioritise cups and lost to awful teams or simply bottled it when we came close to winning trophies. Since we won our last trophy, Wigan and Portsmouth won an FA Cup and Swansea and Birmingham City won the League Cup. There's no way those teams were better than us. So the point is, others could do it and so could have we.
I also believe we could have done a better job during the years we played in the Europa. Among the teams we lost against are Gent, Fiorentina and Basel. I could also add Benfica, but some might be tempted to say they are somehow world beaters, so I'll leave them out.
Johns last post in the Ndombele thread was 22nd October
John has made three posts in the Lo Celso thread. Last one was Aug 8th
John has not made a single post in the Tanganga thread
John made one post in the Bergwijn thread on Jan 26 (3 days before he signed)
John made 4 posts in the Gedson thread, last one Jan 15, the day he signed.
John has made zero posts on the Sessegnon thread
Anyone get the impression that John doesn’t like talking about new players, because if he says they are good, it compromises his agenda that Levy doesn’t invest in the team?
John has made three posts in the Lo Celso thread. Last one was Aug 8th
John has not made a single post in the Tanganga thread
John made one post in the Bergwijn thread on Jan 26 (3 days before he signed)
John made 4 posts in the Gedson thread, last one Jan 15, the day he signed.
John has made zero posts on the Sessegnon thread
Anyone get the impression that John doesn’t like talking about new players, because if he says they are good, it compromises his agenda that Levy doesn’t invest in the team?
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I was in the Falklands for this so didn’t even get to watch the bloody game as it wasn’t in BFBS! 
Ardiles scored and Glenn Hoddle made his debutI was in the Falklands for this so didn’t even get to watch the bloody game as it wasn’t in BFBS!
Another thread and poll about ENIC by a self entitled idiot. Great.
Try as you might to push the agenda there’s a Levy cult, there isn’t I’m afraid.
What there is is a group of fans that realise that we have decent owners. They aren’t the best but are nowhere near the worst. This group also understands that we aren’t entitled to win and even if we are in a fallow period of time, there are more issues than ENIC not buying Moutinho or Berahino.
What there also is is a much smaller group that believe Levy is Satan and is to blame for everything that is wrong in their lives. It’s not Levys fault you were born and dropped on your head. Crying about this over numerous threads isn’t going to change anything John. Sooner you accept this and get behind the club, the happier you will be.
Try as you might to push the agenda there’s a Levy cult, there isn’t I’m afraid.
What there is is a group of fans that realise that we have decent owners. They aren’t the best but are nowhere near the worst. This group also understands that we aren’t entitled to win and even if we are in a fallow period of time, there are more issues than ENIC not buying Moutinho or Berahino.
What there also is is a much smaller group that believe Levy is Satan and is to blame for everything that is wrong in their lives. It’s not Levys fault you were born and dropped on your head. Crying about this over numerous threads isn’t going to change anything John. Sooner you accept this and get behind the club, the happier you will be.
Someone has to feed the penguins
GROAN by Mouse
fan: WANT NEW PLAYER
club: Good players cost lots and lots of money
fan: OKAY GET MONEY
club: Sure, we currently prioritise the most lucrative of all the competitions we are in, in order to maximise our revenue and our available transfer budget.
fan: WIN TROPHY
club: Well, a league cup win will pay 1 weeks wages for a low / mid tier player?
fan: DONT CARE WIN TROPHY
club: But......
fan: AND BUY PLAYER
And repeat to fade.
fan: WANT NEW PLAYER
club: Good players cost lots and lots of money
fan: OKAY GET MONEY
club: Sure, we currently prioritise the most lucrative of all the competitions we are in, in order to maximise our revenue and our available transfer budget.
fan: WIN TROPHY
club: Well, a league cup win will pay 1 weeks wages for a low / mid tier player?
fan: DONT CARE WIN TROPHY
club: But......
fan: AND BUY PLAYER
And repeat to fade.
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Hey, I'm not the one crying, baby. I'm happy as a pig in shit.
Look at me
Posting polls and threads is fun. You should try it.
Seriously though, I've never known a poster, bitch, cry and gripe and complain about other peoples opinions and comments as much as you.
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at least have a sense of humour and show respect.Try and lighten up a bit mate and just enjoy the forum for what it is.
Or if you can't do that, at least have the decency to put the people or threads ya don't like on ignore.
That option is there for guys just like you
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I’d rather not post too much to be honest. If I did think anyone gave that much of a shite about my opinion, I might, but I certainly wouldn’t just regurgitate the same garbage over and over again like you do.Hey, I'm not the one crying, baby. I'm happy as a pig in shit.
Look at me
Posting polls and threads is fun. You should try it.
Seriously though, I've never known a poster, bitch, cry and gripe and complain about other peoples opinions and comments as much as you.
Other guys I fundamentally disagree with like
Try and lighten up a bit mate and just enjoy the forum for what it is.
:dierpochhug:
Any time I act out, it’s in reaction to you pushing the same old crap again. Give it a rest.
Use the ignore button.
Then you can enjoy the forum without me spoiling it for you.
As I said in the ignore list thread, I like to keep the stupid ones around. So no. You continue to post your agenda driven bullshit and I’ll continue to call you out on it.
It’s a shame because I enjoy the way you write. It’s just the content that’s insufferable. I really do hope you are a troll as I’d actually be upset for you if you turn out to just be an idiot.
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