Although ugly... That's actually a far more plausible idea than most of the bollocks being chatted about caretakers. At least he has experience of a club of this size and players of this nature.
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Management Ange: In/Out?
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Although ugly... That's actually a far more plausible idea than most of the bollocks being chatted about caretakers. At least he has experience of a club of this size and players of this nature.
I'm not saying weare guaranteed to get Iraola or anyone, I'm saying it's not beyond the realms of possibility though that a team like Spurs can manage to get such a manager. The answers I'm getting here are all along the lines of "we couldn't possibly" or "they'd never join us". This attitude comes down from the top of the club and it's a bit pathetic. I get why fans think like this, because this is how the upper echelons of this club behaves.
You say expecting us to be able to attract Iraola is arrogant? Maybe. But we need a degree of arrogance and as a club we need to act it. We are bigger than Bournemouth. It's about time we stopped being scared to outwardly say so. If he says no then move on it's his loss.
For the love of god... The words are just bouncing off of you (and others).
I literally just said "The point people are making is not that we shouldn't try."
I’m so desperate, I’d hire Redknapp or BMJ until the summer. They’d probably do a better job than Ange , and would likely stop the rot.
Redknapp is currently coaching Tunley Athletic in Somerset. I’m sure he’d be attracted to a few £££ to help the club stabilise.
BMJ is currently unemployed, but he still loves the club. If he still has any coaching ability left in him, I’d think he would accept a short term stint until the summer , when we could get in a more suitable long term replacement.
Illogical IMO. Your case rests on league and cup form being wildly different. But look closer …
Yes Liverpool was good But EL has actually been very poor the last three games. And getting worse. And as for the FA Cup …
Wanting to win these cups is an argument for Ange out
Put simply, we have a better chance in all comps without Ange
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With respect that's what you are saying. But youre responding to me responding to McCoys who is saying it's unrealistic to approach Iraola and Bournemouth because "they won't come" .For the love of god... The words are just bouncing off of you (and others).
I literally just said "The point people are making is not that we shouldn't try."
I never wanted Ange from the start and said as much only to be shouted down. Look at us now
It doesn't come across that way to me......... Seems more to me that he's just prepared to acknowledge the very real factors that stand in the way of the desired outcome; which is a manager we genuinely want coming here at this point in the season given our predicament..
Perhaps ask him outright "should we try?".... See what he says.
....................Or perhaps he's just Ange_In? ...In which case all the subsequent 'next guy' minutia is moot anyway?
Btw; the arrogance I spoke of earlier had nothing to do with our board's mentality; it compares to the mountains of Man U fans just sat their arrogantly assuming that if they (the fans) visualised it, then Kane (See Iraola) would have come running to them from us (see Bmuff). Ditto Goons right now complacently saying "just go get Isak".
They might be a bit old for a high intensity job. I think HR is 77. BMJ about 70.
More likely to be Mason IMO.
No, anyone wouldn't do for a few months. Not because Ange is doing a great job, far from it, but because very few managers would be willing to take the job without harboring any long-term expectations. We unfortunately don't have our own Heynckes, nor can we promote an assistant the way we did with Jol back in the day.
This drastically limits the room for manoeuvre. If you, like me, think that another Mason stint is pointless at best, then this leaves a permanent mid-season appointment as the only alternative.
A rushed, far from ideal mid-season appointment carries the risk of jeopardizing the next season, in addition to not making a difference in the context of this season. The latter is indeed unlikely, because we sank so low that the only way seems to be up from now on. Hence the shouts of "Anybody could do a better job than this!". But the former still stands I'm afraid. Unless, in case he turns out to be another poor appointment, you'd be willing to sack the next guy in the summer as well.
Assuming that Ange will get the second leg, we might have missed the boat already. I have little faith in Ange as a manager, but at the same time I'm fine with him finishing the season barring an actual relegation battle. Sounds contradictory, but it isn't.
This drastically limits the room for manoeuvre. If you, like me, think that another Mason stint is pointless at best, then this leaves a permanent mid-season appointment as the only alternative.
A rushed, far from ideal mid-season appointment carries the risk of jeopardizing the next season, in addition to not making a difference in the context of this season. The latter is indeed unlikely, because we sank so low that the only way seems to be up from now on. Hence the shouts of "Anybody could do a better job than this!". But the former still stands I'm afraid. Unless, in case he turns out to be another poor appointment, you'd be willing to sack the next guy in the summer as well.
Assuming that Ange will get the second leg, we might have missed the boat already. I have little faith in Ange as a manager, but at the same time I'm fine with him finishing the season barring an actual relegation battle. Sounds contradictory, but it isn't.
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Sure that was part of it, but it's easy to imagine that shiny AVB being right there contributed to the decision.
Redknapp twerking for England wouldn't be the sole reason, similar to us not immediately selling Kane for trying to flog himself to City on a golf course with Gary Neville.
"Shiny" AVB????? LOL
He bombed at Chelsea..... We took a chance on him. Turns out he was crap all along and just had lightning in a bottle at Porto.
No indeed... I listed ALL of it above. There were multiple elements that all combined to the same picture of the bloke..... That he was the very man we deep down knew he was all along.
Disfunctional analogy, but whatever.
If anything, the criticism should be that we pinball from one managerial philosophy to the next; not that we are habitually seduced by neuveaux football (false)-prophets.
Ramos, Redknapp, Jose, Conte, Nuno nor BMJ were no such a thing.
Arguably Poch, AVB & Ange; fair enough.
Redknapp must be 200 years old by now.
Putting Poch and AVB in the same sentence with Ange is too far. Poch and AVB were much better, and were much more successful at Spurs.
Ange would bite your hand off to have AVB's record, even after we sold Bale.
AVB had 3 more points in the league when he was sacked on 15 Dec 2013 after 16 matches than Ange has on 16 Jan 2025 after 21 matches.
Tired of people making that comparison - AVB was levels beyond Ange, and it's an insult to how good this club used to be to pretend otherwise. That we didn't sack Ange after Ipswich is an embarrassment.
I dunno what to tell you mate... This is completely off context with what I was talking about.
Ok I want Fiona Bruce , we ain’t ever winning anything ever again so fancying our manager is my preferred route now .
If Levy won’t pay the Antiques Roadshow release clause I’ll take Kate Winslet or Suzanah Reid as fall back options .
If Levy won’t pay the Antiques Roadshow release clause I’ll take Kate Winslet or Suzanah Reid as fall back options .
I'm saying you should never put Ange in the same sentence with Poch and AVB, its ridiculous.
Ange is a fraud, and completely out of his depth. Our worst managerial appointment, I dunno, maybe ever. Ossie was bad, but he had a connection to the club.
If we lose at Everton then you're not fine with him then! One more game to go!