This season:
Roma 2-2
Last season:
Everton 2-2
Brentford 3-2
Man C 3-3
Arse 2-2
Burnley 5-2
Brentford 2-2
+ a number of pre-season games.
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Management Ange: In/Out?
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This season:
Roma 2-2
Last season:
Everton 2-2
Brentford 3-2
Man C 3-3
Arse 2-2
Burnley 5-2
Brentford 2-2
+ a number of pre-season games.
I mean it's not even an entertaining watch any more, for our fans at least. Can't really enjoy all those breakaway goals when you know that any minute now the opposition will be waltzing towards our penalty area, then into it, through yawning empty space. And they're going to do it again and again and again, whether they're Chelsea or Bournemouth or fucking Ipswich.
The goals we let in are becoming increasingly painful to behold. It's beyond embarrassing and everyone's laughing at us. I'm unfortunate enough to know several Chelsea fans, and even at 2-0 down not one of them was remotely concerned they'd lose.
That Man City win looked fucking great on paper, and I celebrated it for days on end, but in truth City have (a) gone to shit, and (b) could/should have scored 3 in the first half alone.
Angeball might have proved unbeatable in the shit leagues he's previously managed in, but it was pretty much found out in the PL after 10 games and he's too stubborn to try and adapt. Maybe he simply lacks the coaching ability to do so.
The goals we let in are becoming increasingly painful to behold. It's beyond embarrassing and everyone's laughing at us. I'm unfortunate enough to know several Chelsea fans, and even at 2-0 down not one of them was remotely concerned they'd lose.
That Man City win looked fucking great on paper, and I celebrated it for days on end, but in truth City have (a) gone to shit, and (b) could/should have scored 3 in the first half alone.
Angeball might have proved unbeatable in the shit leagues he's previously managed in, but it was pretty much found out in the PL after 10 games and he's too stubborn to try and adapt. Maybe he simply lacks the coaching ability to do so.
They were paying a premium for win now players not prone to injury.......
Conte got Top 4 so he did better in the league. His second season was worse than this.
Jose got us to a cup final so Ange needs to do that but in the league and Europe he was worse.
Overall they weren't measurably different in any way. Generally half decent but not amazing squads, Drama, controversy and huge injury crises but bang average end results and fired.
Right now it looks like Ange ends up the same way but until it's over, there is still a chance he does better than them.
Messi came through Barca's academy, so did most of that squad.They were paying a premium for win now players not prone to injury.......
Liverpool paid premium wages but that doesn't explain Salah's incredible injury record.
I called the City thing when we beat them in the League Cup - fuck, I even said before it that they wanted out as they were struggling. Some of the people here didn't believe Pep but he admitted it before they even drew us.
They are royally fuked and beating them proves nothing now.
You're having a fucking laugh, right?
At this exact stage of that season we were 3rd in the league having lost 3 vs 7 games, those 3 being Arse, United and Newcastle.
In no way whatsever were we ever this bad under Conte up to and including the day he was sacked.
It's getting harder and harder to take you seriously when you talk that much shit. It has to be trolling. Has to be.
People bitch and moan when things don't go well and things aren't going well. It's fine, it's why this forum exists. Just annoys me when the echo chamber gets so loud that any opinion counter to the bitching and moaning makes people think you are crazy.
End of the day, we are all bored of this same shit, all the time, under every manager.
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Nope, you either have the memory of a goldfish or an incredibly selective memory.
I literally just proved how much better we were.
dude, you're gone - on my list of ignorees.
Darren Anderton and Ledley King are both widely regarded as Spurs legends who both played under ENIC's bonus straddled miser and the previous speculating miser.
It is arguably a fact that both of these players would have been sold had they not been injury prone / stricken.
Jam tomorrow is the dream but 4th place, on a lower budget, is the objective.
If Spurs fail in that objective who carrys the can?
The supporters are asked to 'invest' in their season tickets 15 months before they understand the outcome of that investment.
They pay more than any other supporters in the country.
The regime asking them to continually do this pay themselves a fortune and a bonus for pulling everyone's pants down year after year.
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I voted ‘undecided’. But Im probably closer to accepting that he wont be a success at Spurs. Enic wont back him (or anyone else) sufficiently in the transfer market for Ange’s system to work. So we will likely yo-yo between good and terrible results.
Under Ange the ‘Lads it’s Tottenham’ reputation for folding when under pressure has never been greater. If we are 2 nil up against Southampton I bet their players will still believe they could come back.
For a clever man he makes some foolish comments eg we dont need to work on set pieces, could have made subs but it would only mask a bad performance, i will always win something in my 2nd season,
However I doubt we could get a very decent replacement manager midway through the season and so it’s probably best to stick with him.
I also still hold out hope that he could win the Europa which would be brilliant.
Under Ange the ‘Lads it’s Tottenham’ reputation for folding when under pressure has never been greater. If we are 2 nil up against Southampton I bet their players will still believe they could come back.
For a clever man he makes some foolish comments eg we dont need to work on set pieces, could have made subs but it would only mask a bad performance, i will always win something in my 2nd season,
However I doubt we could get a very decent replacement manager midway through the season and so it’s probably best to stick with him.
I also still hold out hope that he could win the Europa which would be brilliant.
Spurs are different now in a critical respect. They reshaped their front office and brought in Scott Munn who has built a staff that is centered around the type football he was familiar with from his time in City Football Group. Whatever I think of Postecoglou and Munn's hiring (I didn't like either), you can't say Spurs don't have a direction that is clearly different than prior to their arrival. That's why Postecoglou being fired is very unlikely. If the Postecoglou hiring was a mistake, it is an early failure for Munn, who pushed Postecoglou to Levy, and a repudiation of the idea Spurs could emulate the City model on the pitch (but, on the cheap thanks to Postecoglou's innovative system). From a business standpoint, the rationale for Munn also involved the idea that teams could increase revenue by cultivating an international fan base. Firing Postecoglou wouldn't be an ordinary change, it would be an embarrassing failure of the new system. Not going to happen anytime soon.
Some coaches can "do well" without excessive backing.
Ange is not one of them. He would probably just cause more trouble even if we threw previously unseen amounts of money at him. At this stage, I don't want any more "ange players" unless they're on no obligation loans.
If Munn won't fire Postecoglu then they both have to go.
Perhaps its the system. Especially for VdV. he's expected to cover and sprint back a hell of lot. No wonder he suffers injuries. We are so open its nuts and Ange can't see it
Okay I forgot about Roma and pretty much every match you have listed is pre-Christmas last year. The Brentford one is marked by a short period of brilliance.
Tottenham 3-4 Chelsea
Tottenham 1-2 Ipswich
Galatasaray 3-2 Tottenham
Brighton 3-2 Tottenham
Newcastle 2-1 Tottenham
Tottenham 0-2 Man City
Liverpool 4-2 Tottenham
Chelsea 2-0 Tottenham
Newcastle 4-0 Tottenham
Fulham 3-0 Tottenham
I explicitly said as much myself.......
Just throwing up some data. Do with it what you will..........
That’s a very very glass half full way of looking at it.
When you actually break down how Conte was “backed”…
- Kulu: okay good signing
- Bentancur: meh okay but nowhere near a top midfielder as much as we love to hype him.
- Perisic: free transfer and well past it
- Udogie: Conte never had him
- Richarlison: nowhere near good enough
- Romero: good signing but signed before Conte
- Bissouma: nowhere near good enough
- Porro: a last ditch appeasement effort signing that Conte had for a few weeks
- Royal: seriously? Also not a Conte signing
- Sarr: a young player for the future under Conte
- Lenglet: LOL
And of course don’t forget Djed ‘club signing’ Spence
So when you really look at it, ENICs efforts at “backing Conte” were absolutely no different to their “backing” of their other managers.
Cheap, lazy, unambitious, bare minimum crap.
If you bring in a manager like Conte, you don’t have a summer window where Bissouma, Richarlison and Lenglet on loan are the level of quality of your main signings.
absolutely. Its obvious if you play exactly the same way every match you give the opposition an advantage - Ange doen't seem to tweek anything either. Some of the defending has been calamitous and for me that's on the system - the back four (especially the centre backs and to a degree Sarr, Biss and Rodrigo) no wonder the errors are wracking up. Ange needs to realize this isn't the Scottish league.