Was gonna give him the benefit of doubt regards injuries etc and willing to give him time irrespective of results and how we’re playing but I’m not in favour of last nights calling out of Werner, yes he’s no excelled we us and is clearly lacking in confidence but throwing him under the bus was a low blow and considering Son , Romero & Maddison have regularly let him down this season yet has stayed silent and on at least one occasion laying the blame on him it’s his responsibility that the players are not standing up to the job so it’s his job to remedy it, nah you win as a team you lose as a team……
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Management Ange: In/Out?
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yep, one thing for sure it isnt set up for what we fucking play.
ive always liked the 4231. think its one of the more solid formations that make you hard to beat. we dont have the wide players to put emphasis on width. theres no salah and diaz here thats for sure!
It really isn't.
We've seen over and over; unless you have a god tier CM (Kante/Dembele), 343 (or more specifically a 2 man MF) gets crushed in the EPL.
Frank, Iraola, Potter? Literally anyone with premier league experience.
Well we don’t have any actual fullbacks…
Don't really see why Iraola would leave Bournemouth right now to come here. Potter has never done anything. Frank I like, but he seems very happy and in his comfort zone to manage a small club.
One of them would be interested you would think. But I agree. If I was Iraola, last place id come is here. Bournemouth seem to be doing well and have a good back room team. Not like the shambles we have.
This club is a hard sell, and the only reason some one of note would come is the money.
352 for me. Solanke as the main striker with the likes of Son/Johnson being played with him. 3 in midfield to have some control with Porro and Udogie giving us width (I don’t understand why we play inverted). Even with Ange (although I think it’s time for him to go) we would look much better with 3 centrebacks.
I remind you all we barely have one fit CB at the moment never mind a squad of 6 capable ones 352 would require
We don’t have 4 CBs when everyone is fit,
Frank is also embedded in Brentford's moneyball, ultra detailed data-based coaching setup. Just the key part of a complex system. I do think he's a good manager, but there's every chance it wouldn't translate well to Spurs... because we're a mess. Unless Lange et al really are setting up a slick operation.
Undecided stands for:
"Well we know Levy would never pay for a manager mid-season. And if any eye-catching option was available in the market, the change would have already taken place. So we're essentially picking our poison between Ange and 6 months of an interim."
For most people it's not a lack of clarity about merits and demerits of Ange. They've already made up their minds about him. It's about how long they can stomach current trajectory vs another Mason tenure. They think Mason is known commodity, while (wishfully I might add) assuming that Ange may still have something up his sleeve. Memories of "dat 10 game stretch when we were invincible" certainly come in handy here. So they're more inclined to take a leap of faith into the unknown with Ange, despite finding it highly unlikely to end well. Can't blame them.
As my convoluted description indicates, it is indeed a complicated thought process. No wonder people flip back and forth between back and sack.
"Well we know Levy would never pay for a manager mid-season. And if any eye-catching option was available in the market, the change would have already taken place. So we're essentially picking our poison between Ange and 6 months of an interim."
For most people it's not a lack of clarity about merits and demerits of Ange. They've already made up their minds about him. It's about how long they can stomach current trajectory vs another Mason tenure. They think Mason is known commodity, while (wishfully I might add) assuming that Ange may still have something up his sleeve. Memories of "dat 10 game stretch when we were invincible" certainly come in handy here. So they're more inclined to take a leap of faith into the unknown with Ange, despite finding it highly unlikely to end well. Can't blame them.
As my convoluted description indicates, it is indeed a complicated thought process. No wonder people flip back and forth between back and sack.
He has done that literally no less than 5 times, and at one point was paying four managers at once, but go off I guess.
I do think the options are probably not that appealing at this moment. Levy wants a project guy and project guys want a preseason.
We are a small minded club these days.
Not the fans. The owners. Just using us as a cash machine.
Baldy conscience on 6 million a year.
Never was an exaggeration on my part, sorry. But the last manager he paid compensation money for mid-season was Redknapp in 08, right? That's still a long time. He's clearly very reluctant in this subject. He sees managers purely as liabilities, rather than assets that footballers are. 99 % of the time you can't sell them for profit, hell you need to pay just for them to go away. Not totally wrong, but managers are also infinitely cheaper than footballers. They can be worthy investments in many cases. It's not as black-and-white as Levy seems to think
That he paid another club to acquire midseason? Yeah, I suppose that narrows it to Hoddle, Ramos and Redknapp. But he's paid huge contracts to get Mourinho and Conte midseason while paying contract buyouts to their predecessors.
It's radically different from his approach to player transfers. Levy has always been aggressive, decisive, and willing to pay top-of-market prices to managers, because he is ideologically committed to the idea that touchline and backroom management is what matters in an overpriced and irrational market for players. That's been his core belief from the moment he entered football.
I am of the impression that he sincerely wants a more durable professionalized modern transfer operation and that he's woken up to it not being 2004 anymore. I think he will be listening to Paratici and Lange's input on this in a way he would have never listened to Damien Comolli or Frank Arnesen or whoever about managers. But that will only hold him off for so long.
Let's not still pretend that Davies isn't worthy of being called a CB.
Romero / VDV / Davies
(+ Dragusin... w/Phillips & Vuskovic in the pipeline)
(+ Dragusin... w/Phillips & Vuskovic in the pipeline)
..........Would be good. Basically an upgrade on Conte's 3 without a Sanchez/Dier in the middle. Instead you got Mickey for recover runs and can still surge fwd in one of the two sit and cover.
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To be clear, I was not reiterating the "Levy is cheap!" cliche. He indeed made ambitious managerial appointments. But he's not fond of poaching other teams' managers mid-season. As I said, I suspect that's because he doesn't see managers as assets like players are. They add value to those assets with their management/coaching, but they're not assets themselves. So paying (for) them huge wages AND compensation money doesn't make sense. He's technically right, but missing a small detail there. They cost peanuts compared to players, they really do. A very recent example, Amorim, a young and promising manager, costed nothing compared to our two prospect signings from Championship. I'm not even talking about signing an established player that would walk right in to starting 11.
Like you said, Levy indeed puts great emphasis on the use value of managers. But IMO he has a slightly unfounded fear of paying compensation for a manager and eventually taking a bigger loss because of it.Because that risk exists for players as well. In the last 2-3 years alone we lost tremendous amount of money from players we couldn't sell for anything close to what we paid. I don't believe that paying compensation for a manager is inherently more risky than paying for a player.
I agree with the unpleasantness of having an interim in charge for an extended period. It sends the fans and players a wrong message. That season is essentially a write-off. Maybe it is justified, maybe there are indeed no good options available anywhere. But,in general, I still would like to see him be more proactive with these mid-season appointments, rather than taking a glance at the market and shrugging his shoulders. Because those long interim tenures really are a bad look for the club. They plummet fan interest, they raise questions about how the club operates in general and so on. Hopefully he finally realized this.
An improvement on Contes CBs isn’t saying much