He’s hated us since we didn’t want Woolwich to win the league last season.
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Management Ange: In/Out?
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He’s hated us since we didn’t want Woolwich to win the league last season.
Do you really believe Levy is Ange in?
I think he's being given extraordinary leeway because he doesn't criticise the ownership in public.Do you really believe Levy is Ange in?
At this stage he's pretty much only employed as Levy's whipping boy. He can't still be in a job based on performance.
It’s not that simple , I’m Ange out , but at the ripe old age of 63 I lack ambition
I mean - he's not sacked him despite being THE worst appointment in Levy's tenure?Do you really believe Levy is Ange in?
He's sacked far better coaches for less.
He was slammed so much for sacking Jose a week before a final, he’s not going to sack Ange when we are still in the Europa and probably not before the season ends because unless he got somebody like Terzic, no employed manager would join before the season’s end.
We were still in the Champions League and FA Cup when he sacked Poch.
Still in the league cup, Ropey League and FA Cup when AVB was sacked.
Still in ropey league, league cup (as holders) and FA cup when Ramos was sacked.
Sacking Mourinho just before a final was dumb, but that doesn't mean we now forever have to wait until we're out of all cups before doing it as a result.
We haven't had a final since Ange arrived and we're not getting one.
Do you really believe Levy is Ange in?
I don't think there is much doubt he is now going. Just as soon as we are out of Europe - so could be Thursday. It is with huge regret that I say this. For a moment there I really believed we had found ourselves a top Manager. But instead it has been another false dawn. One day we will stick with a manager and build the legacy the new infrastructure and fans deserve. One day. 
Even if we do win the Europa I would still want rid of him. The way we were ridiculously still trying to play out from the back the other day just played into Bournemouth's hands as they thrive on it. Just plain ignorance not to mix it up and go long occasionally. Reminded me of the arrogance we had with Conte and his pathetic tactics
It was blood pressure raising.
Yeah. The day Levy / ENIC sell up and fuck offOne day we will stick with a manager and build the legacy the new infrastructure and fans deserve. One day.
I love the boldness of playing out from the back, but I'm tired of dogmatic and philosophically-driven managers that refuse to work with squad or talents at their disposal.
To take it a step further, I'm exhaustively tired of "Managers" given that our side hasn't appeared effectively coached for 6 or 7 years now. Give me a "First Team Coach"; I'm fucking begging.
To take it a step further, I'm exhaustively tired of "Managers" given that our side hasn't appeared effectively coached for 6 or 7 years now. Give me a "First Team Coach"; I'm fucking begging.
63? You're just a young whippersnapper....
Couldn’t agree more.
When did you realise this was not an elite coach? Because that line you use about 'one day sticking with a manager ' is part of the problem. It's not some either or. Sometimes the smartest play is to move quickly to rectify a mistake. Postecoglou will never work at this level again, wait and see. It's crazy how long it took some to address this because they kept obsessing about the past. It's delicious what Nuno is doing at Forest because he DID deserve more time and support, yet all these Ange cultist were absent why was that? There's no inherent virtue in prolonging an error.I don't think there is much doubt he is now going. Just as soon as we are out of Europe - so could be Thursday. It is with huge regret that I say this. For a moment there I really believed we had found ourselves a top Manager. But instead it has been another false dawn. One day we will stick with a manager and build the legacy the new infrastructure and fans deserve. One day.
I honestly think he'll stay until the end of the season. We won't get relegated now, and chances of getting into Europe via a league placing are extremely slim.
The embarrassment for Levy of putting Mason in again would probably mean we're stuck with Ange until the end of the season, when we can go for our number 1 target....whoever that is.
I think I'd actually rather Ange stayed until the end of the season now. I'm just worried that if an interim manager does a semi decent job, then Levy might be tempted with an easy hire.
For me, it wasn't until fairly recently - January maybe. Others can think differently of course, but for me our performances in Aug / Sep / Oct deserved more points than they got (and both pundits and independent objective analysis like xG etc agree with me). Nov & Dec were made more complicated by the injuries. I know people go on about Palace and Ipswich games with a relatively full squad, but any team can have a couple of bad games. So throughout Nov & Dec, I was concerned about the drop off in performances since Aug/Sep/Oct, but hoped that it was more about injuries than anything else. More recently - for most games in Jan & Feb, we've just gotten worse and worse, tactics that worked on and off previously now hardly ever seem to work, and it's very obviously time for Ange to go and his appointment to be chalked up as an error (some might say it was a brave choice, others may say it was stupid, but surely everyone now agrees it hasn't worked and isn't going to work).
So when we talk about 'sticking with a manager', for me that means giving him a reasonable period of time (which of course is different for everyone) to see if it works rather than just sacking him (say) as soon as he's lost 3 consecutive games (not least because if we do that, no one will want the job). With Ange, it got more complicated by the injuries - I honestly believe our drop off in form might well have seen him fired in December if it weren't for the injuries. No one has a magical criteria of when is the right time to sack a manager, and some fans / boards will always be more patient than others, so we're bound to all have different 'timescales' or 'sets of circumstances' to say sacking a manager is the right thing to do at that particular point in time. So whilst I agree that 'there's no inherent virtue in prolonging an error', at the same time you have to give it time to see it if might not be an error after all, but just a blip.