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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
I believe Mourinho and Conte had worse squads than Ange and, as a result, could argue they achieved more.
One got a cup final. One got CL footbal.
What has Ange got?

Diddly fucking squat and some wet tonkings in the process.
Mourinho got to a cup final having beaten Stoke, Brentford and one penalty shootout over Chelsea, so he gets no real credit for that.

Conte had a good new manager bounce period, not unlike Ange. But he had prime Kane, Ange doesn't. He'll probably get 1 league place lower than Conte.

It's pretty similar overall in results.but the football is mostly more watchable. Recent games excepted.
 
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And yet we are on track to concede more goals with "better" players.
Yeah, which is truly terrifying.

Conte and Mourinho managed to at least shore up a shocking defence with a keeper who was unravelling in front of us.
Yet with 2 world class center backs and 2 good full backs, we look like we're trying to hold water in a colander. Why? Because we put them all in the oppo half, pay no attention to what's happening when we haven't got the ball, don't mark anyone at set plays and generally look confused when it hurts us.

Mourinho and Conte, with that defence and keeper would have had as as tight as a nun at the back.
 
What worked early in the season (and what I assume Angeball is supposed to be) is that when we attack they are overloaded. Yet by the time we get to their 18 yard line, it's just passed back and recycled, nullifying any attacking benefit; and leaving us exposed on the counter.
Teams quickly figured out what to do when we come onto them.
 
The new system wasn't an issue the first ten games because we had all our important players available!?

Then the Chelski game happened. With that game and the following 4 games we took 1 point out of 15, from being undefeated.

We have never found that rhythm we had after that game.
Why haven't we found that rhythm though? We've been near enough full strength for a long time now. We've had a fuller squad than teams around us. Disruption to the XI just isn't an excuse at this point
 
The new system wasn't an issue the first ten games because we had all our important players available!?

Then the Chelski game happened. With that game and the following 4 games we took 1 point out of 15, from being undefeated.

We have never found that rhythm we had after that game.
But we have had those players back since. We only had one player from most people's preferred 11 unavailable last night.

The rhythm has been disrupted, absolutely. But people can't say "it's a new system" 34 games into the season when the system wasn't initially an issue. If it worked and now doesn't, it's because the players aren't buying into it. We have been beaten 10 times in the league this season, by teams which have often also been decimated by injuries and/or suspensions. They still played and beat us.
 
The key difference between the first 10 games and now is the recent lack of tempo and bravery on the ball.

There’s far too much passing it around the base of midfield/defence that allows the opposition time to get set and defend.

We were at our best when it was fast, one touch football. Biss’ performance levels dropping off a cliff I think is fundamental to this.
 
I'm starting to think all the Ange-out-posters are Russian bots!( or at least Woolwich bots)

Confused Thinking GIF by MOODMAN
 
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If you are quitting on legitimate passion and a manager out in the open about really trying to win and not cowing to the big powers in football, you deserve the endless cycle of this club.


That’s it. That’s all I can say for now.

See you all in the summer for more punishment.

He can tell them to stop during a match all he likes.
But it's painfully obvious we aren't training on ways to break teams down. They go backwards and sideways because they have nowhere to go when they get into the final 3rd. And that's because we've been sussed out.
 

  1. Have Spurs improved over this season?published at 15:00
    15:00​

    Joe Bradshaw
    BBC Sport journalist
    Ange Postecoglou
    IMAGE SOURCE,GETTY IMAGES
    Ange Postecoglou says Tottenham are a better side now than when they lost 4-1 at home to Chelsea with nine men on a chaotic Monday night in November.
    But are they?
    That was Spurs’ first defeat of an outstanding opening to the season, winning eight and drawing two of their first 10 games and riding an extraordinary crest of positivity under their new boss.
    Now, seven points off the top four with five games to go, it is not immediately apparent they have improved.
    Indeed, given Spurs’ limited involvement in cup competitions including Europe, and rivals Aston Villa storming clear of them despite Europa Conference League commitments, it could be argued they have underperformed this season.
    Two caveats before diving into the data.
    The first. Pre-Chelsea numbers are based on a 10-game sample size, smaller than the 23 that have come in the period since.
    Secondly, one would expect the data to be more positive for the first 10 games given their results.
    That being said, the stats do offer some illuminating findings.
    A graphic showing Tottenham's stats pre-Chelsea and post Chelsea: Successful passes- 552 v 512, Number of shots- 17.8 v 14.2, Conversion rate- 12.9% v 15.1%, Expected goals 1.78 v 1.77's stats pre-Chelsea and post Chelsea: Successful passes- 552 v 512, Number of shots- 17.8 v 14.2, Conversion rate- 12.9% v 15.1%, Expected goals 1.78 v 1.77

    Image caption,
    Numbers show average per game and courtesy of Opta
    The average number of shots per game is down but that is perhaps not a surprise given the absence for significant periods of Son Heung-min and Richarlison. It has been hard for Postecoglou to name a settled frontline.
    However, both the shooting accuracy (50.2% to 52.5%) and shot conversion rate are up, suggesting that Spurs have been more clinical in the intervening period.
    Expected goals also remains essentially the same, indicating Spurs continue to create at the same level even if shots are down.
    In fact, the problems have not been in attack – rather, the numbers show defensively Spurs have dropped off since 6 November.
    They are conceding a similar number of shots each game (almost 13) but their expected goals against has been significantly higher. The save percentage from summer arrival Guglielmo Vicario has also dropped massively from keeping out nearly 82% of shots to just over half.
    This implies the chances Spurs are conceding are of higher quality than previously. And if you cannot stop the opposition scoring, winning football matches becomes infinitely more difficult.
    Graphic showing defensive stats pre-Chelsea and since Chelsea: Tackle success 63.5% v 60.8%, Shots faced 12.7 v 12.9, Save percentage 81% v 57.8% and Expected goals against 1.27 v 1.84

    Last time Spurs faced Chelsea they were flying high and ticking all the boxes. The decline has not been as steep as their league position suggests, but they need to tighten up or Cole Palmer and company will have a feast.
Just a simple no would of sufficed! :dier:
 
I believe Mourinho and Conte had worse squads than Ange and, as a result, could argue they achieved more.
One got a cup final. One got CL footbal.
What has Ange got?

Diddly fucking squat and some wet tonkings in the process.
They both had world class forwards especially mourinho who had prime sonny still.

Having a striker who gets you out the shit when you're playing badly goes a hell of a long way.

We have two major problems :

we're too easy to score against when we get countered or turnt over which if the opposition don't score usually get a corner from or we concede a foul which then leads to the other major problem.. defending set peices.

A good proper Centre forward who can actually hold up the ball could potentially fix both issues.

Aswell as a better no.6 and wingers to help our general play.

Postecoglou needs time and if it doesn't work out he is a manager that atleast wants technical footballers as opposed to workers which should atleast remain consistent for the club
 
I remember talking to mates at the start of the season and I expected it to be a bumpy ride. 5th would actually be ok - better than I thought. We’ve got worse as the season's gone on though and I don't see clear answers to any of it.

Anyway have a great day y'all, checking out now. Peace.
For me it's simply the players are not following his orders but also are not able to use their own initiative without meticulous detail on what to do.

Something as simple as the way they pass between each other for starters. It's MUCH slower than it was at the start of the season, it only picked up to the original speed at the start of the season when Ange lost his head. I think the captain has to be a big part of the blame for this, as a leader you're not there to be everyone's friend, sure the occasional arm around the shoulder is needed from time to time, but Son needs to be spouting orders and keeping everyone in check during the game, something that he is clearly not competent at doing.

Hoybeer understandably divides opinion, but to me he comes across as someone who would be a good captain. I'm not suggesting he be our captain now but thags the sort of personality type we need, not Son who's as soft as butter and certainly not a natural leader, especially for a club that wants to win big things!
 
So rebuilding the rebuild?

Isn't it just Davies and Son still here from the Poch era (not couning Sess and Gio).

How many times ffs.

I think 4 players change this team.
A proper 6 and 3x starting forwards.

I rate our defensive players but they are completely exposed in this system with these midfielders/attackers.
problem is hes doubled down on the spursy culture by giving son the role of captain! that culture needed to be completely cut out and binned! no survivors.
 
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