Start training for a back 3 of Romero-Dragusin-VdV please Ange for fucking goodness sake... VdV still can play like a FB when necessary. I really don't want a repeat of some muscle forwards bullying us to lose possession anymore...
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Management Ange Postecoglou
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I was wondering what the manager thought and why didn't her respond:
1- When they made a HT sub aimed at Udogie
2- When we conceded first goal and the momentum started to shift
3- When they drew and we totally lost hold of the game
4- when they made 2 more subs and he is standing there doing nothing
I mean, their manager since HT is wheeling and dealing, making adjustments, helping his players with tactics. Meanwhile, our brave manager is standing there with the only movement is shaking his head.
Players of modern football are like robots, they execute what they are told to execute, when things turn, they don't know how to react, they look at the manager, wondering, what next? and if he doesn't respond, they will keep doing plan A.
There is a psychology factor as well, when the players see the other team changing tactics, making subs, while they see their manager not responding.
His style makes players get tired quickly, they cannot do that plan all 90 minutes, not even more than 60 minutes. And he needs to respect opponents who play 90+ minutes and be prepared to deal with all these factors.
TBH, It's been over a season, and I do not see signs that Ange has the tactics to affect games. Yeah he looks good when we play poor teams and seems to be a genius, but against good managers, he gets exposed. He realizes the checkers tactics don't work with managers who play chess. He's been schooled by a 30+ year old manager.
1- When they made a HT sub aimed at Udogie
2- When we conceded first goal and the momentum started to shift
3- When they drew and we totally lost hold of the game
4- when they made 2 more subs and he is standing there doing nothing
I mean, their manager since HT is wheeling and dealing, making adjustments, helping his players with tactics. Meanwhile, our brave manager is standing there with the only movement is shaking his head.
Players of modern football are like robots, they execute what they are told to execute, when things turn, they don't know how to react, they look at the manager, wondering, what next? and if he doesn't respond, they will keep doing plan A.
There is a psychology factor as well, when the players see the other team changing tactics, making subs, while they see their manager not responding.
His style makes players get tired quickly, they cannot do that plan all 90 minutes, not even more than 60 minutes. And he needs to respect opponents who play 90+ minutes and be prepared to deal with all these factors.
TBH, It's been over a season, and I do not see signs that Ange has the tactics to affect games. Yeah he looks good when we play poor teams and seems to be a genius, but against good managers, he gets exposed. He realizes the checkers tactics don't work with managers who play chess. He's been schooled by a 30+ year old manager.
Just another patsy
I’ve accepted we are winning nothing under him, just carry on being a Yid like we all do
I’ve accepted we are winning nothing under him, just carry on being a Yid like we all do
Fraud of a manager.
I imagine Postecoglou will be sick as a pig.
The Premier League is a tough and unforgiving bitch for stubborn managers with some major flaws. We can be exciting to watch at times and even get a couple of good results in a row, but I highly doubt an Ange team will ever be good and consistent enough to do something of note in this league, more around 6th place.
So yeah, keep him for now and hopefully we can do something noteworthy in one of the cups, it's certainly not gonna happen in the league.
So yeah, keep him for now and hopefully we can do something noteworthy in one of the cups, it's certainly not gonna happen in the league.
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This is the guy who kept using a high line when we were nine men against Chelsea. Adjusting is not his thing. That game still drives me crazy and confirms that he's a dumbass.
What did he say?
I would put it on players if that happens at 80min+. But we collapsed between 45 and 70 minute, and there were couple minutes between each goal. He had time to react during that period somehow, i.e. by making sub you have mentioned, but he did nothing. Literally nothing, since he sent Spence and Dragusin for warmup exactly when they scored 3rd goal... Sometimes when its obvious some players are not up to it, manager needs to help them, even by taking them off.
Major things concern me about Ange yet again highlighted.
1. Leaves it far too late to make subs
2. His in-game management is appalling. He just stands there gormless, looking clueless just hoping the tide will turn but does nothing to influence it. A top manager as soon as that second goal goes in is making changes.
3. His attitude of we just play one way - when it works, fantastic we look great. When it doesn't, we look atrocious. And unfortunately in the premier league, there are too many good sides who will expose Ange ball. Like Brighton did today. This way won't bring success. We will just be a midtable Bielsa like Leeds side.
Due to the above, Ange will never be a success here.
And people going on about 5 wins in a row. That isn't PL games.
Coventry, Carrier Bag and a Hungarian side are in that run. And on Thursday it was literally a roll of the dice we lose or draw that game even if the kids did well, and Coventry we were seconds from going out.
Scratch beneath the surface and it doesn't say much.
1. Leaves it far too late to make subs
2. His in-game management is appalling. He just stands there gormless, looking clueless just hoping the tide will turn but does nothing to influence it. A top manager as soon as that second goal goes in is making changes.
3. His attitude of we just play one way - when it works, fantastic we look great. When it doesn't, we look atrocious. And unfortunately in the premier league, there are too many good sides who will expose Ange ball. Like Brighton did today. This way won't bring success. We will just be a midtable Bielsa like Leeds side.
Due to the above, Ange will never be a success here.
And people going on about 5 wins in a row. That isn't PL games.
Coventry, Carrier Bag and a Hungarian side are in that run. And on Thursday it was literally a roll of the dice we lose or draw that game even if the kids did well, and Coventry we were seconds from going out.
Scratch beneath the surface and it doesn't say much.
Lol I agree that we needed change earlier but today was mostly on the players.
If they come out and play that way second half that isn't on the manager. If you blame him for the second half then you have to praise him for the first and the previous 5 games.
I hope he rips some of the players a new one for the whole two weeks. Ask their national teams to rip them for him too.
If they come out and play that way second half that isn't on the manager. If you blame him for the second half then you have to praise him for the first and the previous 5 games.
I hope he rips some of the players a new one for the whole two weeks. Ask their national teams to rip them for him too.
Ange was right. No aggression on the first ball. Just allowed Brighton to turn and get at us. Udogie plays like he doesn’t care half the time. I hope we’re looking at a really good defensive left back primarily who’s comfortable on the ball because Udogie does’nt contribute anything meaningful in the final third to make up for his lazy defending. VDV weak a lot of the time on the fist ball into the forward as well.
Not quite true, our worst points total after 7 games since Ramos.
Very good point regarding psychological factor. Its easy to go against our players mentality, that they were weak. But i would play it different: it was in my opinion too big ask today that this group will just go through losing lead without any changes, and will keep playing our plan A without questioning it. They are humans, not robots or serial winners like City or Real, sadly.
I'm sure he just wanna turns up for his international games safely thinking the game is wrapped up at halftime.
Hope he fucking bollocked the players. To concede all three of those goals was disgusting.
I agree- Ange was thoroughly tactically outclassed by Hurzeler.
I didn't really see Ange doing much of anything on the touchline today. He's really got to do something- you can't just let the game melt down on the pitch and not do anything about it (
) and expect it to get better, and then at the end simply tell the press that you 'never instructed the players that you wanted them to lose'. I'm sorry but that's just not really good enough in modern pro football.
Put another scapegoat on the BBQ