• The Fighting Cock is a forum for fans of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. Here you can discuss Spurs latest matches, our squad, tactics and any transfer news surrounding the club. Registration gives you access to all our forums (including 'Off Topic' discussion) and removes most of the adverts (you can remove them all via an account upgrade). You're here now, you might as well...

    Get involved!

Manager Ange Postecoglou

Latest Spurs videos from Sky Sports

Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
But we didn’t…. And this season we have already lost to 4 okish teams. Brighton and Villa have lost 1 in 9. Chelsea 2.

We lose points to teams we shouldn’t. A pattern is right there in front of you. How you want to interpret that situation is up to you.

Sunday for us is must win. For Villa a don’t lose. They can write off a loss on this one more easily than we can.
Not seen them play at all this season so I won’t make a prediction. Hopeful of 3 points based on I support Spurs!

Our bigger questions before Xmas are city and Chelsea, liverpool. 3 points out of 9 would exceed my expectations tbh. If we can pick up 3 points against Villa to start with that’s a good start.

Chelsea drew against Forest and Palace - Villa drew against Bournemouth and Ipswich.

Every team is dropping points they shouldn't.

Agree about this weekend. Home to Villa has to be 3 points.... If it is we are 2 behind them.

Chelsea wont find it easy against a galvanised United either - Brighton playing Liverpool too.

Come the end of the weekend, if we do our job, we could be closer to all of them - which will obviously make the Palace loss feel even worse.
 
Anyway enough of this bickering. In 48 hours or so we'll have a whole new thrilling win/turgid catastrophe to argue about :D
 
Think we got hammered at home by United / Liverpool or something, but his record is weirdly good.

Guess Levy realised it was only a good record thanks to Bale.
Remember it well, football was awful (as you said bale was the reason for results)so as soon as results didn't follow crowd turned on him immediately. Meant his PPG was high compared to others who were given more time
 
Have Spurs ever made you jump for joy? Like ever?

I picture you more like this when we win...

Grumpy Old Man GIF by Giphy QA

Or…..



Dean Winters Tantrum GIF by Allstate
 
I just want you to know this and then I won't be exchanging another word with you. I prefer to chat to spurs fans, see.

Whomever EVENTUALLY replaces Ange, I hope that it's someone that upsets you so much, you never post on here again.

Alternatively, if it's someone who you actually want, I am going to spend every waking moment on here slagging him off and being utterly obnoxious and vile, like you have been, until you eventually get so irritated you...DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT.

:dembelefingers:
Wow
 
Can anyone come up with a venn diagram to show the posters who are:

1. Full of hatred for Levy and ENIC because we’ve only won one league cup in twenty years and we really need to win a cup. Fuck finishing in the top four or high up the league, just win a trophy.
2. Not rating Ange because we are low down the league and are only performing in the cups.
3. Don’t want us chasing top four to get the extra money, it want us to spend more on transfers and wages.

I thought about doing it but couldn’t be arsed trying to make sense of it.
 
We're not finishing ahead of the top 3 and Villa strike me as having a man at the helm who will stabilise the ship well enough over the season to keep them up for 4th. Then again, ya just never know, but I wouldn't put my house on it!
So yes, various league positions are possible if we achieve sufficient points to finish in those positions. We'll know at the end of the season.

More news as I get it.
 
Enic will give Ange time, what time equates to we will have to see but for me at least until the end of this season that means another transfer window for AP to add too and delete from the squad. I think the man's ethos is to be applauded and he has change many things at THFC for the better in his tenure so far. He has and does frustrate the life out of me with this rigid approach to how he wants to play every single game, but I believe he will soften on this intensity, I believe he will have to and if he does then I also believe with what else he has already brought to the club we have a manager with the potential to take us to the next level. COYS!
 
Enic will give Ange time, what time equates to we will have to see but for me at least until the end of this season that means another transfer window for AP to add too and delete from the squad. I think the man's ethos is to be applauded and he has change many things at THFC for the better in his tenure so far. He has and does frustrate the life out of me with this rigid approach to how he wants to play every single game, but I believe he will soften on this intensity, I believe he will have to and if he does then I also believe with what else he has already brought to the club we have a manager with the potential to take us to the next level. COYS!
I am seeing a glimmer of hope that he'll build enough momentum in the team to get us over the line in a cup sooner or later. There's definitely some team spirit and attacking power there. I'm enjoying most of the games again after some dire years.

He won't turn us into a team challenging for the league until the owners incrementally increase funds for transfers and moreso wages.
 
He won't turn us into a team challenging for the league until the owners incrementally increase funds for transfers and moreso wages.
Personally, I feel like the true underlying reason for our underperformance has been Levy's obsession with recouping transfer costs and a refusal to accept losses on transfers. I don't think transfer fees or wages have much to do with it, it's that players who fail to perform to expectations are typically allowed to stick around until their contracts expire. It has been my opinion for a long time now that in the Premier League roughly 40% of players are always going to fail to make the grade, while about 30% meet expectations and the remaining 30% exceed expectations. That's going to be generally true whether we're paying 10m to lure a promising u18 prospect, or 75m on a "marquee signing" that is intended to be the centerpiece that we build a team around.

At Spurs, instead of being aggressively moved on and taken as a loss on the books, players that have underperformed are generally allowed to stick around until their contract expires, because Levy thinks he might be able to con someone into paying well above their market rate. Moreover, they're generally give a second contract and a second opportunity to prove themselves, which I believe really got worse under Pochettino and his apparent expectation that it would take 3-4 years for players to adapt to his methods. I think it sets the tone that performance expectations are secondary, and that Spurs is a cushy place with excellent training facilities that is a great place to ride out a few years of your career; that your playing performance is secondary to your treatment as an accounting asset.

People are so fixated on paying higher transfer fees and bigger wage packets to attract "better" players, but in my view that's a fool's errand when regardless of the details the greatest percentage of transfers are going to fail to meet expectations anyways; we need to just focus on getting more business done and stopping ourselves from overcomplicating transfers and negotiations, and then being much more strict about dispensing with players that fail to meet expectations.
 
Back
Top