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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
How much rotation did Conte do?

Have issues with Ange, his system, his gamble on recruiting young but just making bold statements like "any competent coach would have rotated better" isn't based on reality. Some coaches rotate more than others, competence doesn't really factor into it.
Conte wasnt as dependent on high octane out of possession and high octane in possession.
Rotation while needed isnt as necessary as Anges system
 
You watching EL even if it’s Ange coaching them?
Only for the very slim possibility that I may see the club I love win a trophy by sheer luck and fortune.

But when it comes to the PL, why would I waste the very finite time I have as a human on this planet watching some charlatan grifter drag the club I love into the meat grinder?

It’s just sadomasochism at this point and rewarding incompetence, I am done thinking he will turn some imaginary corner, we both know damn well that isn’t going to happen.
 
I don’t disagree with that but the same way Ange wanted Gallagher, Eze and Neto.

The fact that he was pushing to go with young players when those transfers couldn’t happen is the gamble that is costing him atm.
Definitely agree gallagher would have suited us with running power , Neto would be out injured and hasnt lit chelsea up much and eze's form has dropped off a cliff but theres a chance he might have prospered here
 
It’s also about timing with managers and especially the guy after Ange. We have a youth build now, so Ange aside the timing of the manager coming in is very important.

Look at Chelsea, they got Potter and sold like 20 players and bought 20 players, a total and utter shitshow. The next summer they bought a load more and got Poch. Wasn’t till the very end of the season that Chelsea played really good football and won lots of games. Poch then fell out with Egbail apparently and they got Merasca and he was Chelsea’s first manager with a settled well drilled squad. Chelsea are now actually getting worse again. Merasca might be a worse manager than Potter or Poch but he started in a vastly better position than either of them.

My point is we at least have a bunch of really talented young players, Vuskovic will be coming in the summer, maybe Donley and Yang to come back along side an ever improving Bergvall, Gray and Moore. The fruits of this might not be till next season or the season after so the timing of the new manager and the players growing could make or break us. Would getting Iraloa with a fit team at the start of next season be the right match and the right timing?
 
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Centre of the pitch is wide open as per usual, so let's try to figure out how that happened this time. Bergvall is pressing high while Tel is also trying to help him, so how they're positioned and what they're doing make sense. But why is Bentancur covering LB, which opens up the centre? Because our LB Spence, for whatever reason, is even higher up the pitch than LW (Tel). Our RB (Porro) is not in a much better position himself, standing inside the centre circle next to #41. If the guy on the ball gets away from Bergvall and also avoids Tel on the way, which is quite routine stuff for players at this level, then there's a massive space to exploit. Let's see;

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He's away, so the scramble starts.

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From this point on it's a straigtforward pass to #41 for a clear cut chance. Danso is occupied with another runner (#17) himself so he can't possibly cover #41, and there's nobody else in the close vicinity.

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#41 will receive the pass, and have his 1v1 attempt saved by Kinsky afterwards.

I don't feel like doing this anymore, as the point should be obvious to anyone. Our team defense hangs by a thread regardless of the scoreline, time, personnel, or any other possibly relevant variable. It's this way by design.
 
Anges tactics:

In possession “Charge”
Out of possession “Charge” into a press, the trigger being any turnover.
In defence “Charge” usually back as we are soo out of structural shape.

Then, when the players show ability to adapt a little against Brentford, we can’t build on it, so we go back to “Charge”.
 
I've kept fairly quiet on Postecoglou (but admittedly thought he was a dead man walking a few weeks ago).
However, watching the team play, I have to wonder what he actually does in training with them.
The passing at times is appalling - stray passes, or passes that are so slow it turns into a hospital ball. When attacking, the ball is also often passed behind the player so they have to stop running, rather than something in front of them that they can run onto. Its basic stuff.
The heading ability of our players is shocking - they just seem to head the ball away without any care or consideration as to where the ball is going (and more often than not, it goes straight to the opposition).
Of course, that's on the rare occasion any of our players actually bother to challenge for a header.

Injuries or not, there appears to be no structure or discipline in our style of play.
No matter how many injuries a team has, if a style, structure and tactics are instilled into all players across all squads, then the number of misplaced passes should be minimised as should the number of chances you concede to opposition. A perfect example was the first goal yesterday - the minute Bergvall was passed on the halfway line, we were in serious trouble - and that should not happen.
 
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It’s also about timing with managers and especially the guy after Ange. We have a youth build now, so Ange aside the timing of the manager coming in is very important.

Look at Chelsea, they got Potter and sold like 20 players and bought 20 players, a total and utter shitshow. The next summer they bought a load more and got Poch. Wasn’t till the very end of the season that Chelsea played really good football and won lots of games. Poch then fell out with Egbail apparently and they got Merasca and he was Chelsea’s first manager with a settled well drilled squad. Chelsea are now actually getting worse again. Merasca might be a worse manager than Potter or Poch but he started in a vastly better position than either of them.

My point is we at least have a bunch of really talented young players, Vuskovic will be coming in the summer, maybe Donley and Yang to come back along side an ever improving Bergvall, Gray and Moore. The fruits of this might not be till next season or the season after so the timing of the new manager and the players growing could make or break us. Would getting Iraloa with a fit team at the start of next season be the right match and the right timing?
Iraola seems to have nurtured Kerkez, the two centre backs (18 and 22) and other young players really well. It’s a huge part of why he’s No. 1 for me.
 
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Centre of the pitch is wide open as per usual, so let's try to figure out how that happened this time. Bergvall is pressing high while Tel is also trying to help him, so how they're positioned and what they're doing make sense. But why is Bentancur covering LB, which opens up the centre? Because our LB Spence, for whatever reason, is even higher up the pitch than LW (Tel). Our RB (Porro) is not in a much better position himself, standing inside the centre circle next to #41. If the guy on the ball gets away from Bergvall and also avoids Tel on the way, which is quite routine stuff for players at this level, then there's a massive space to exploit. Let's see;

vgf5gEk.png


He's away, so the scramble starts.

kQaGe5E.png


From this point on it's a straigtforward pass to #41 for a clear cut chance. Danso is occupied with another runner (#17) himself so he can't possibly cover #41, and there's nobody else in the close vicinity.

G8SN0vF.png


#41 will receive the pass, and have his 1v1 attempt saved by Kinsky afterwards.

I don't feel like doing this anymore, as the point should be obvious to anyone. Our team defense hangs by a thread regardless of the scoreline, time, personnel, or any other possibly relevant variable. It's this way by design.
I am afraid you have already spent far more time looking into Villa match details than Ange ever will
 
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