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Management Ange Postecoglou

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Looking back in this thread from the start and, man alive there's been some interesting takes on here such as Slot not getting the same skeptical treatement despite "never managing a champions league match" and Ange being a better choice than a "mediocre" well known manager like Luis Enrique.

I was mainly checking to make sure that no-one would bring up a hypocritical post I'd made on the fat Aussie chancer.
 
On a serious note, we might genuinely not have to worry about being stuck with him in the slim chance that he wins EL.

As I said before, he's not far off from Conte in terms of having an almost condescending attitude towards this club. So he might well be willing to move on to greener pastures if he feels like he can afford it, which I think would be possible after winning such a trophy.

Fans, boards and media are all extremely fickle, some of his fiercest critics at the moment would suddenly be drooling over him as that ultimate winner who achieved the unachievable by winning a -major- trophy under Daniel Levy. It'd be hilarious to see in fact.
 
Kiro Kompiro said:
Either the current squad is good enough or it isn't. It can't be good enough under Postecoglou ( and therefore it’s all his fault) but shit under the manager who takes over ( and therefore it’s the players fault).
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you can turn mediocre squads into much better squads - more than the sum of the parts. I could lazily cite Leicester, or alternatively I could cite Villa who were utter gash under Gerrard around the relegation spots, Gerrard who had just won’t the SPL with Rangers and then Emery came in and got the exact same squad into Europe the same season and then qualified for the CL the year after that.
 
Richard Splash said:
Better leagues absolutely - Iraola spent 3 years with Rayo 2 in La Liga after getting them promotion.

Won the Cypriot championship with Larnaca and is now at Bournemouth. He is 42.

Ange is 59 and has had nearly 2 seasons in a top league. Aside from Spurs he has managed the strongest side by a long way in Scotland, managed in the J league and managed in Australia - none of that gets close to the Spanish league, you are talking nonsense.
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Look at the date he joined this forum. Blatantly an Angeboi with zero awareness of how poor the J and A leagues are compared to the top 5 or 6 European leagues. Which don't include Celtic.
 
BJK said:
On a serious note, we might genuinely not have to worry about being stuck with him in the slim chance that he wins EL.

As I said before, he's not far off from Conte in terms of having an almost condescending attitude towards this club. So he might well be willing to move on to greener pastures if he feels like he can afford it, which I think would be possible after winning such a trophy.

Fans, boards and media are all extremely fickle, some of his fiercest critics at the moment would suddenly be drooling over him. It'd be hilarious to see in fact.
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I doubt there would be many suitors in the Prem - if any.

I think he is perfectly suited to a club like Celtic, possibly Ajax, FC Copenhagen. Anywhere where a club is a big fish in a puddle and he can beat up on non serious opponents with all out attack tactics.

A Europa win wouldn’t validate anything - we’ve only beaten AZ, Qarabag, Ferencvaros and Elfsborg so far, it just so happens that’s good enough to make a QF. Even beating Frankfurt and Lazio to make a final - is that validation? Not for me anyway
 
Matt1882 said:
Look at the date he joined this forum. Blatantly an Angeboi with zero awareness of how poor the J and A leagues are compared to the top 5 or 6 European leagues. Which don't include Celtic.
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It’s absolutely insane to claim that any of the J league, A league or SPL are on par with La Liga - a league that produces more Euro competition winners than any other and boasts the two biggest and arguably best clubs in the world. The Prem and La liga are the pinnacle
 
Richard Splash said:
Better leagues absolutely - Iraola spent 3 years with Rayo 2 in La Liga after getting them promotion.

Won the Cypriot championship with Larnaca and is now at Bournemouth. He is 42.

Ange is 59 and has had nearly 2 seasons in a top league. Aside from Spurs he has managed the strongest side by a long way in Scotland, managed in the J league and managed in Australia - none of that gets close to the Spanish league, you are talking nonsense.
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I stand corrected-the Cypriot Championship, wow, the man's the next Guardiola.

Iraola *managed* in La Liga. Postecoglou *won* in Australia, Japan and Scotland.
 
Kiro Kompiro said:
I stand corrected-the Cypriot Championship, wow, the man's the next Guardiola.

Iraola *managed* in La Liga. Postecoglou *won* in Australia, Japan and Scotland.
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Won in Scotland with Celtic - it’s like winning musical chairs when you are a kid, but it’s your own mum controlling the music. Genuinely, I reckon 80% of the posters on this site could win the SPL with Celtic, I would give my dog a 50/50 chance.

Doing well without winning anything with Rayo in La Liga is a bigger accomplishment than winning the J league and A league combined - the Aussie league is an absolute nothing league. The J league is better, but still - Iraola to win La Liga would have needed to overcome Real Madrid and Barca - who did Ange have to overcome to win the J league?
 
Matt1882 said:
Look at the date he joined this forum. Blatantly an Angeboi with zero awareness of how poor the J and A leagues are compared to the top 5 or 6 European leagues. Which don't include Celtic.
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Oh do fuck offwith your ad hom attacks. He didn't have EPL players in his teams playing against dross to win those leagues. You don't win mutiple league titles anywhere unless you know a bit about managing.
 
Kiro Kompiro said:
Oh do fuck offwith your ad hom attacks. He didn't have EPL players in his teams playing against dross to win those leagues. You don't win mutiple league titles anywhere unless you know a bit about managing.
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Not EPL players but I doubt he won those leagues with the equivalent of Rayo and I doubt he had any sides in those leagues that are the equivalent or Real Madrid and Barca.

The other thing about Iraola is he is 42, he is still at the beginning of his career, Ange is 59 and much nearer the end.

Simple question, if both were needing a manager job tomorrow - who is likely to land the bigger club in the bigger league?
 
Richard Splash said:
is that validation? Not for me anyway
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In a vacuum? No, I agree. He won't suddenly become a better manager if he gets through these possible 5 matches unscathed. But that's not how narratives work, and they play a big part in establishing players' and managers' reputation in any sport. So much so that they collide with facts and come out on top on occasions.

The narrative of an ultimate underdog, of a nobody who started from the bottom to reach the very top by delivering a major trophy to an almost cursed club would be incredibly alluring and therefore equally easy to sell. I can see a lot of people, including some people in the positions of decision making, buying it. That's where fickleness comes into play.
 
BJK said:
In a vacuum? No, I agree. He won't suddenly become a better manager if he gets through these possible 5 matches unscathed. But that's not how narratives work, and they play a big part in establishing players' and managers' reputation in any sport. So much so that they collide with facts and come out on top on occasions.

The narrative of an ultimate underdog, of a nobody who started from the bottom to reach the very top by delivering a major trophy to an almost cursed club would be incredibly alluring and therefore equally easy to sell. I can see a lot of people, including some people in the positions of decision making, buying it. That's where fickleness comes into play.
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Yeah I would be fine with that provided we moved him on. Let someone else enjoy the benefit of his management.

The media would definitely be hypocritical, i could easily see them painting us as ungrateful in that situation whilst ignoring a 16/17th place finish in the league and our worst PPG in the Prem era.

Although I would gladly welcome a cup win, it would feel somewhat hollow based on who we have played so far and how poor we actually are. For me it would be like West Ham winning the conference - they played no one of note until the final and were flirting with relegation right to the end. I would take it though as trophies seem to be an afterthought at the club in Enics reign of terror
 
If he wins EL 99% of the fanbase will love him again even the people in here abusing and criticising him, being responsible for Spurs fans achieving something they've not done for 30 odd years will give him a free pass, that's generally how football fans roll, fickle as fook.
 
Kiro Kompiro said:
Oh do fuck offwith your ad hom attacks. He didn't have EPL players in his teams playing against dross to win those leagues. You don't win mutiple league titles anywhere unless you know a bit about managing.
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I don't think he doesn't know anything, but it's clear that he doesn't know enough or adapt well enough to cut it at a higher level than he's ever experienced before.
 
Richard Splash said:
Not EPL players but I doubt he won those leagues with the equivalent of Rayo and I doubt he had any sides in those leagues that are the equivalent or Real Madrid and Barca.
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Postecoglou took Brisbane from second last to first and went 36 games in a row unbeaten.

Real and Barca are 4 games per year. All the other clubs pencil in 4 losses.

Richard Splash said:
The other thing about Iraola is he is 42, he is still at the beginning of his career, Ange is 59 and much nearer the end.

Simple question, if both were needing a manager job tomorrow - who is likely to land the bigger club in the bigger league?
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Iraola probably.
 
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