How long have ENIC owned this club?
4th is the absolute ceiling for these owners, we know this...like what are you expecting to change overnight?
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How long have ENIC owned this club?
4th is the absolute ceiling for these owners, we know this...like what are you expecting to change overnight?
Win the final, see what that attracts!
Combined with the buzz of winning a major trophy, increasing the playing time of younger players next season and having less injuries, i would give us a chance of winning the league with Ange as manager!
And if he doesn’t win the trophy? Do you admit you were wrong and that beating some absolute shite meant nothing?
Agendas for fuck sake. Bloke has us 16th. This is so embarrassing. Act like he’s some marginalised victim, the guy has utterly failed.
‘Haters’ - he’s just a football manager doing dreadful. Like many dreadful managers (ten Haag) he’s found a cup route to excuse the league failure. Bodo Glimt is a handy little obstacle.
It feels right for a parting of the ways win the final or not and I doubt anyone neutral would think otherwise if they’re objective about it.
There can be a mutual parting of the ways handled with dignity.
It begs the question though, if he can foster such a good spirit and earn that buy in from the players, how bad must the actual coaching/tactics be to result in what we are seeing on the pitch much of the time?
They beat some good teams to get to the semis, give them their due!
Would you throw 10mil out of the window?
100% can see why he has to go. Think he'd be gone already if we hadn't stayed in Europe.
But there has always been an agenda against him. From day one.
The fact is there are people in this fanbase and on here for whom no-one is ever good enough. Ange was on a hiding to nothing with them from the start.
He may lose and those people will bask in the glory of being right while 'their team' misses out again.
Win... And the 'fat, clueless, dreadful, B league' manager brings glory back to this club and will go down in history for it.
Because it's about embedding an ethos over several seasons essentially, 'irrespective of circumstance'.
Rome wasn't built in a day, yadda yadda yadda.
Most of the negativity from posters on this and other forums, are people who literally cannot wait any longer, or at least are not prepared to wait and have zero nuance in their thinking about why he is so 'stubborn'... or convicted if you prefer. He hasn't deviated once in his principles, nor in his explanations publicly or in pressers. Nor has he deviated with a depleted squad... because that essentially fucks up the vibe of his philosophy... ie: its fine to be nuanced and adapt, but as soon as the coach is a non-believer in his own philosophy, then no-one in the club is.
If you're the sort of supporter, who wants the same mediocrity served up year after year, and still attached to agricultural ways of thinking, then Ange aint your man. He is a progressive - even idealist, and it takes seasons to embed philosophy (don't think tactics when I say philosophy)... but punters aren't prepared to sit with the discomfort. And that makes sense given Tottenhams history.
Nah I'm not doing this again lol
Did you see Ange's post presser?
They didn’t. They beat one decent team, Frankfurt, who have a wage budget equivalent to a Fulham. Or less probably.
Bodo and Alkmaar? Come on. Let’s be serious here.
We did well to sneak past an OK team like Frankfurt but otherwise I find it baffling that we are meant to give him lots of credit for beating these teams. Bodo are absolutely championship tier.
Is agenda just an opinion? I had serious doubts about him. I also think he has a personality which is marmitey. I am not a fan and never really have been, you will get different opinions everywhere.
Good for him. It’ll sound great on paper but the reality will be the biggest win being over the worst United in decades who are barely better than us in the league. The EL provides a great avenue for a new narrative but doesn’t change the reality: good teams put us down.
And if he loses, I assume he’s still just a maligned victim?
Lose and he won't be Spurs manager anymore so I'll wish him the best after getting over my disappointment.
And no; an agenda is not an opinion.
An agenda is far more than an opinion.
It's finding a way to try to prove your opinion regardless of occasion or mood.
Like you today. The morning after Spurs make it to a European final.
Your agenda?
To tell us is it isn't all that. We beat shit teams. We got lucky against the slightly better ones.
That's an agenda.
Nope. It's facts. I didn't say we got lucky against the slightly better ones.
We deserved to beat Frankfurt. Ultimately their wage/transfer structure is very much that of a very mid-table/bottom half prem club and their quality reflected that. I'm not crediting anyone for beating AZ or Bodo. You can if you want. These teams are league one in the quality of their setup. Bodo had nothing - no athleticism, no technical qualities. No threat.
The EL is piss weak. Facts. United are having an absolute nightmare domestically but have beaten Sociedad, Bilbao and Lyon. Its a far harder run than ours. It's also a bad team. Amorim isn't good, he doesn't deserve loads of credit for it, its a fucking cup - up against their peers (premier league teams) he has consistently failed.
Our peers are premier league sides, not Bodo motherfucking Glimt. Winning a cup would be amazing but it doesn't tell me shit all about the tactical sophistication of the manager as he has an overwhelming talent advantage against these teams. When he doesn't, Liverpool smash us in to the ground, Forest do the double over us, and Ipswich and Leicester beat us.
Deal with it. I can back my opinion on our EL run with facts and put it in to fair, reasoned context. You are blinded by emotion on it. I can deal with being happy about being in a final but also not making out its some big accomplishment for the guy in charge.
England got to multiple huge finals (FAR better than this fucking competition) under Southgate and 99% of this forum will recognise him as a bloody shit coach who got lucky with cup runs and due to individual quality. I'm applying this same logic here and the fanboys can't stand it.
Don't worry, Levy will get you out of such sticky situation.
He then proceeds to sack Ange 5 days before the final. Maybe that's 5 million saved from his bonus of winning the cup!
Has it though? We had the same last season and the thought was that it took a season for the players to adapt to the methods, and yet here we are again, there was also the notion that once players came back we would improve, we didn't, we got worse.
There's nothing concrete to make you believe we won't be in the same boat next year, we're actually on a downward trend and so logically there's more reason to believe that we will be worse still.
If, gigantic if, he stays, then there needs to be major upheaval in terms of back room staff. He absolutely must either bring in, or have brought in for him, a top tier coaching staff that can enact all of the nice fluffy ideas he has about "attacking" football.
You talk about they and not we, why is that? The bloke was talking about Bodo beating good teams to get to the Semi but you don't get it, the saddest man on the forum because Spurs have made a European Cup final, it says a lot about you
This is such a ludicrous argument to make in his defence whilst we sit in 16th place...
