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Management Ange Postecoglou

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I can understand the poor league performance through the lens of the injuries, and subsequent the focus on the EL post Feb. But whether we win or not, you cannot take the same manager and same group of players into the following season without significant risk of relegation. Psychological damage is done and whatever happens in Bilbao we need significant changes this summer. New manager, new coaching team, at least 3-4 new first team players, even if we have to sell to buy. I remain in favour of Oliver Glasner, and the way his team showed aggression and desire, following a well laid out plan and playing style, against us in what was a dead rubber for them as well showcased his managerial talents. I'd also take Frank from Brentford who is over performing with an inferior squad.
 
We were 4 points off 2nd place in the league after 12 games this season - and then VDV, Romero and Vicario were injured. Not long after, Davies was injured; then Forster, then Udogie and then Dragusin...... Losing the core of the defence fucked the season, then their backups got injured.

If we win the EL , do you think Ange will be able to rotate effectively for the CL next season? Effectively being the key word.
 
I remain in favour of Oliver Glasner, and the way his team showed aggression and desire, following a well laid out plan and playing style, against us in what was a dead rubber for them as well showcased his managerial talents. I'd also take Frank from Brentford who is over performing with an inferior squad.
I'd love Glasner as well - but he reportedly doesn't have a release clause in his contract and Palace supposedly want 20M. so that's likely a hard pass from Levy.

 
Obviously I want to win the final

But the thought of having to celebrate with this vile vile person sickens me
We're not winning it, mate. The whole loser mentality built up around the club means United's name is already on the trophy.

They'll be more up for the fight and more determined to secure CL football whereas Levy will worry about the increased expectations CL football brings with a summer transfer window looming around the corner.

He'll, man....the club has already started celebrating reaching the final as some kind of achievement

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We were 4 points off 2nd place in the league after 12 games this season - and then VDV, Romero and Vicario were injured. Not long after, Davies was injured; then Forster, then Udogie and then Dragusin...... Losing the core of the defence fucked the season, then their backups got injured.
But we had already dropped points against Leicester, palace, Brighton, Ipswich, Fulham and Bournemouth.... losing 4 and drawing 2.

Shocking and that was before the injurys.
 
You misunderstand me mate, everything you've said cannot be argued as it blindingly obvious this fraud should never have been appointed let alone need to go, but there are scoundrels like Richard Arlison Richard Arlison who need to be asked the question point blank because despite claiming to have seen the error of their ways, they still support the fraud as evidenced by an outpouring of support for a man who has us in 17th place with 20 losses after beating a League 1 team on Thursday.

What question do you want me to answer?

Do I keep Ange if we win EL?

No, I don’t because his decisions for building so young are the reason we struggle so badly without our main guys. His rotation as well.

But if he finishes 5th and wins EL in the two seasons after selling Kane, he’s objectively the most successful manager in the 43 years of my life and I’ll be grateful to him for the rest of my Spurs supporting life. I know he’s an AEK fan, which is another ENIC survivor and I’ll follow his career when he B ends up there,.

Plus he bedded in the likes of Bergvall, Gray, Udogie, Sarr, Odobert and Moore. We will get the benefits of that for years to come.

People get too emotional about another grown man. You can see that his time is up but not have this weird irrational hatred of someone that’s always defended the club.
 
We're not winning it, mate. The whole loser mentality built up around the club means United's name is already on the trophy.

They'll be more up for the fight and more determined to secure CL football whereas Levy will worry about the increased expectations CL football brings with a summer transfer window looming around the corner.

He'll, man....the club has already started celebrating reaching the final as some kind of achievement

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Fuck Off

If You believe that, you have a losers mentality

Grow a thicker skin and have the spine to stop talking down our chances in case we don’t win.
 
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Hang on a minute... 🤔

Back in Europe​

Ange was asked how much he's looking forward to being back in European competition...

"I am really pleased to be back there and excited to be back in it. I spoke about it last year that it was a real gap in our calendar and didn't help us at certain times of the year not having regular football, that challenge of playing different types of opposition and exposing our whole squad to some meaningful game-time. And the worst thing was sitting around watching other teams play in it. It didn't sit right with me so being back in a European competition is important."


Ange making excuses but it’s on him to know if his squad was ready and built for 4 competitions this year snd it clearly wasn’t.

But I have zero problems with prioritizing the one we can win now.
 
That Leicester side that won the fa cup and competed under Rodgers was a completely different side that was rebuilt like 3 years after the title winning team. Just like our side will need to be rebuilt over years.

Also the fact that your acknowledging that Leicester had and forest are likely having freak seasons is surely proof that it does take seasons to rebuild a poor side? Otherwise they wouldn’t be freak seasons, they’d be sides capable of maintaining consistent challenges (like the rebuilt Leicester under Rodgers, where they clearly wanted to build something more lasting unlike the freak title winning team that was unsustainable)

I look at this club over the last 5 years and I see 2 halves of seasons where we played sustainable, consistently good football: second half of 21-22 season under conte, first half of 23-24 season under ange. Everything else has been largely shit if we’re being honest and we’ve been massively bailed out by having Kane in the side and in-form Son at times. Now Ange has been horrific don’t get me wrong, but it’s lazy to suggest that 20 fucking losses in a season is purely down to a manager. That’s down to a shit mentality, a lack of quality AND shit tactics. This team is done, and we’re in for a rude awakening next season if we go into the market thinking that it will take us back to the promised land. That is unless the ambitions have changed and challenging for the top 4, titles and UCL is no longer what we want?
Your last sentence nailed it.
 
People get too emotional about another grown man. You can see that his time is up but not have this weird irrational hatred of someone that’s always defended the club.
He hasn’t defended the club in the slightest. His whole modus operandi has been to play down the achievements of the club to defend himself. On the eve of Bodo Glimt, he said this club isn’t used to getting to semi finals - we’ve been in 8/9 over the last 10 years.

Compare him to Amorim. Amorin is a winner who is disgusted with his team’s league form. Ange is just a chancer who only cares about backing up “I always win a trophy in my 2nd season” .

As for his comment “If getting to finals is so easy, why aren’t the top 3 in one”? - I mean how utterly thick is that?? Is he comparing Arse playing Real Madrid and PSG to us playing Frankfurt and Bodø Glimt??
Is he saying that Liverpool winning the EPL isn’t as significant as getting to a Europa final. And they walloped us in the League cup semi final to get to a final.
Oh and Man City are in a final anyway.
The bloke is an utter fucking plank.

If we win the Europa, it’s in spite of, not because of him. I’m bloody annoyed that my enjoyment of next week’s trip hinges on that arrogant, gaslighting baffoon enjoying it with me.
 
I'd say there is little point in looking at what positions Spurs need to strengthen until Angelos has gone and a new head-caoch has assessed the present players thoroughly, which is why I was so keen on letting Angelos go months ago. People keep saying that Spurs need WFs who will take players on but Spurs do actually have them somewhat, but it's clear Ange doesn't want them to take on their full backs. He wants them to get wide, make half a yard and put in crosses at the first opportunity or make space for the inverted FBs. I wonder why though because it's not like Spurs are flooding the box to get on the end of those crosses nor have the air dominance for it.
It's all just confusing messages and poorly coached tactical play. No player is really going to fulfil their potential if they can't play to their strengths. But Angelos believes his philosophy and system is more important than a player’s strengths and weakness'. It isn’t.
 
If we win the EL , do you think Ange will be able to rotate effectively for the CL next season? Effectively being the key word.

Well, if we look at this season, he did rest VDV, Romero and Udogie for all the early cup fixtures; so, any accusation that they were overplayed is unfounded.

Quite simply, if as a coach the backup players you are given by the club are young and inexperienced (Bergvall, Gray, Spence, Odobert, Moore, Sarr, Dragusin, Tel, Kinsky) or are just plan crap (Werner, Regguilon, Bissouma) then it makes rotation of the squad difficult - because you are far more likely not to get a decent performance. Senior players such as Davies and Son are showing their age and Bentancur and Richarlison both coming off a very injuries that could have been career ending.

The club needs to furnish Ange (or whomever our next coach is) with a BALANCED squad. The team on the pitch needs to have the right level of experience and ability no matter what rotation we have.

Any coach in world football with the squad and injuries we have had this season would be sitting in the bottom half of the table. The question you have to really ask :

1. How many of those coaches would have thrown their toys out the pram, lambasted the owner and sulked (e.g. Jose, Conte, Poch)
2. How many of those coaches would have sacrificed their own job to get the bare bones team into a European final.
 
Well, if we look at this season, he did rest VDV, Romero and Udogie for all the early cup fixtures; so, any accusation that they were overplayed is unfounded.

Quite simply, if as a coach the backup players you are given by the club are young and inexperienced (Bergvall, Gray, Spence, Odobert, Moore, Sarr, Dragusin, Tel, Kinsky) or are just plan crap (Werner, Regguilon, Bissouma) then it makes rotation of the squad difficult - because you are far more likely not to get a decent performance. Senior players such as Davies and Son are showing their age and Bentancur and Richarlison both coming off a very injuries that could have been career ending.

The club needs to furnish Ange (or whomever our next coach is) with a BALANCED squad. The team on the pitch needs to have the right level of experience and ability no matter what rotation we have.

Any coach in world football with the squad and injuries we have had this season would be sitting in the bottom half of the table. The question you have to really ask :

1. How many of those coaches would have thrown their toys out the pram, lambasted the owner and sulked (e.g. Jose, Conte, Poch)
2. How many of those coaches would have sacrificed their own job to get the bare bones team into a European final.
Fuck off
 
If he wins a trophy in his second season then a lot of people will have to eat tbeir words. Easy to taunt but he will have proven a lot of people wrong
Many Factors why Spurs have got to the Europa final and it has nothing to do with Ange. It's the level of opponent faced. The EPL is an elite league where the competition is fierce and even the Ipswich's of this world can beat anyone. Take a look at the 2 finalists, both Man Utd and Tottenham are sitting 16th and 17th in the EPL. The competition isn't as competitive hence 2 god awful teams in the final. As for Postecoglu he is done here and doesn't deserve any credit for the season he has put us as supporters through - There's a reason Ange will be remembered as one of the worst managers Tottenham have ever had.
 
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