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Management Ange Postecoglou

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So I'm not convinced on Ange's abilities as a head coach, but he's proved himself to be one hell of a leader.
A comparison with Conte is interesting at this stage. No one would question Conte's tactical credentials but a manager like him who was more focused on his own ego than understanding what the club needed and delivering it - always going to fail. Ange recognised the big psychological changes needed for a traumatised club like us to win something again and delivered an effective plan. He's had the balls to show the strong leadership required and the emotional intelligence to know exactly what buttons to press with his team and how to sell a vision. And he has a winners mentality.
I don't think he's currently the full package as a great manager, but in the Europa campaign he's finally shown some movement in one of my biggest criticisms of him, his inflexibility.
He's absolutely earned the right to stay but I think having a coaching team that challenges him sometimes and compensates for his weaker areas needs to be addressed as a priority. However, managers like him with the ability to communicate a vision are a rare breed and I don't see another one waiting in the wings.
 
Gilded Lily said:
So I'm not convinced on Ange's abilities as a head coach, but he's proved himself to be one hell of a leader.
A comparison with Conte is interesting at this stage. No one would question Conte's tactical credentials but a manager like him who was more focused on his own ego than understanding what the club needed and delivering it - always going to fail. Ange recognised the big psychological changes needed for a traumatised club like us to win something again and delivered an effective plan. He's had the balls to show the strong leadership required and the emotional intelligence to know exactly what buttons to press with his team and how to sell a vision. And he has a winners mentality.
I don't think he's currently the full package as a great manager, but in the Europa campaign he's finally shown some movement in one of my biggest criticisms of him, his inflexibility.
He's absolutely earned the right to stay but I think having a coaching team that challenges him sometimes and compensates for his weaker areas needs to be addressed as a priority. However, managers like him with the ability to communicate a vision are a rare breed and I don't see another one waiting in the wings.
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So what are your expectations in his third season? It seems most would be happy with a top 5 finish?
 
SpursNation said:
So what are your expectations in his third season? It seems most would be happy with a top 5 finish?
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He’s just said S3 is better than 2. The guy loves the taste of his own spunk. He’s serious.

It doesn’t mean we will, but the only way you can beat winning a Europa League is a league or champions league title. I’m not that naive to think it’ll happen of course, but if he’s doubling down on things, a league or FA Cup won't do.

Unless he walks, he’s staying. Let’s see what happens in the Super Cup.
 
Murphy said:
He’s just said S3 is better than 2. The guy loves the taste of his own spunk. He’s serious.

It doesn’t mean we will, but the only way you can beat winning a Europa League is a league or champions league title. I’m not that naive to think it’ll happen of course, but if he’s doubling down on things, a league or FA Cup won't do.

Unless he walks, he’s staying. Let’s see what happens in the Super Cup.
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Right, so what is your pass mark?
 
FightingIllini said:
The Poch era had completely broken as of about the first of the year 2019, following on from the yearlong self-imposed transfer embargo by Levy.

The CL final run was the era of the Winks-Sissoko double pivot and the total disappearance of Kieran Trippier's form.

Played comprehensively off the park by City and Ajax, and took 11 points from our final 12 league games.

This "reaching a CL final is true greatness, unlike winning the EL" narrative does not fit the data of the absolute shower we were by the time we got there.
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Every team at some point needs luck, on Wednesday we got some in respect we were playing a dogshit Utd team any other half decent team from any other country we’d have been in trouble but hey ho that’s how it goes…….Pochettino had luck in buckets on that run to the CL final we didn’t get there because we were good we got lucky……
 
Gilded Lily said:
So I'm not convinced on Ange's abilities as a head coach, but he's proved himself to be one hell of a leader.
A comparison with Conte is interesting at this stage. No one would question Conte's tactical credentials but a manager like him who was more focused on his own ego than understanding what the club needed and delivering it - always going to fail. Ange recognised the big psychological changes needed for a traumatised club like us to win something again and delivered an effective plan. He's had the balls to show the strong leadership required and the emotional intelligence to know exactly what buttons to press with his team and how to sell a vision. And he has a winners mentality.
I don't think he's currently the full package as a great manager, but in the Europa campaign he's finally shown some movement in one of my biggest criticisms of him, his inflexibility.
He's absolutely earned the right to stay but I think having a coaching team that challenges him sometimes and compensates for his weaker areas needs to be addressed as a priority. However, managers like him with the ability to communicate a vision are a rare breed and I don't see another one waiting in the wings.
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Well said.
 
Shadydan said:
Because your entire post went off into a tangent of nonsense and irrelevance, hence why it was drivel.

let's circle this argument back a bit, this is what you originally said:





That's not me twisting, those are literally your words and I haven't once even spoke about Spurs in our exchange so who's twisted who's words here?

The reason I responded is because you were so desperate to paint Woolwich as a top European club, it's actually laughable because they have won fuck all in Europe, you don't get respect for challenging or putting pressure on, or going close or beating former champions in one off matches, you get the respect and accolades when you win, that's how you became a 'force in European football' it's as simple as that.
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It's you who comes up with drivel rather than logical arguments.
And unlike I and don't see things just from within the Spurs bubble but I see things as they are in this objective football world. And no, I am not desperate to paint Woolwich as a among the better teams in Europe but fact is that they are considered to be among the top teams this season from their results ((which doesn't mean they are better than the "real big" teams).
Ending 2nd in the EPL and knocking out the favorites to win the CL this season, Real M., and beating them both home and away, does put Woolwich among the top teams in Europe this season.
If the EL is such a prestigious competition why was there a bonus of qualifying for the CL included for the winner?
You never answered why big clubs prefer to play in the CL rather than the EL even though it's much easier to win it (EL) and why do all the top players constantly talk about wanting to play in the CL rather than the EL even though they knew the EL is much easier to win?
 
Murphy said:
He’s just said S3 is better than 2. The guy loves the taste of his own spunk. He’s serious.

It doesn’t mean we will, but the only way you can beat winning a Europa League is a league or champions league title. I’m not that naive to think it’ll happen of course, but if he’s doubling down on things, a league or FA Cup won't do.

Unless he walks, he’s staying. Let’s see what happens in the Super Cup.
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What do you expect him to say?1?
Alright guys, I'm off....because that's as good as it's going to get!!! :ange-bored2:


He might not be to everyones tastes, but in his speeches, he speaks like a true leader.
 
Murphy said:
He’s just said S3 is better than 2. The guy loves the taste of his own spunk. He’s serious.

It doesn’t mean we will, but the only way you can beat winning a Europa League is a league or champions league title. I’m not that naive to think it’ll happen of course, but if he’s doubling down on things, a league or FA Cup won't do.

Unless he walks, he’s staying. Let’s see what happens in the Super Cup.
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An FA Cup isn't as good as a Europa League, but if you offered me an FA Cup and 10th for next season, I'd take that offer instantly. I never realised how starved I was for trophies until this week.
Would that save Ange? Absolutely not though. He's doubled down on something that is almost impossible (winning either the PL or the UCL)
 
SpursNation said:
So what are your expectations in his third season? It seems most would be happy with a top 5 finish?
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Realistically, we should aim for top 6 and one of the domestic cups. It's a less romantic vision, but we now need to balance a trophy with a better league performance.

If we got to the later stages of the Champions league too, frankly I'd be amazed, but I hope we can still show growth. It will still be great to build experience in our young team.

There's something about developing playing style too. Finding the balance between Angeball and Angewall...
 
Pathfinder said:
It's you who comes up with drivel rather than logical arguments.
And unlike I and don't see things just from within the Spurs bubble but I see things as they are in this objective football world. And no, I am not desperate to paint Woolwich as a among the better teams in Europe but fact is that they are considered to be among the top teams this season from their results ((which doesn't mean they are better than the "real big" teams).
Ending 2nd in the EPL and knocking out the favorites to win the CL this season, Real M., and beating them both home and away, does put Woolwich among the top teams in Europe this season.
If the EL is such a prestigious competition why was there a bonus of qualifying for the CL included for the winner?
You never answered why big clubs prefer to play in the CL rather than the EL even though it's much easier to win it (EL) and why do all the top players constantly talk about wanting to play in the CL rather than the EL even though they knew the EL is much easier to win?
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In 5 years when both teams look back on 2024-25 who do you think will consider their season more successful?
 
Darnswim 🇦🇱 said:
An FA Cup isn't as good as a Europa League, but if you offered me an FA Cup and 10th for next season, I'd take that offer instantly. I never realised how starved I was for trophies until this week.
Would that save Ange? Absolutely not though. He's doubled down on something that is almost impossible (winning either the PL or the UCL)
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Personally I’d take top 7 and a cup (league cup or fa cup) as progression and continuation but that’s not what the quaestion was. Ange’s words mean this is only bettered by two prizes, neither of which I think we can do.
 
Pathfinder said:
It's you who comes up with drivel rather than logical arguments.
And unlike I and don't see things just from within the Spurs bubble but I see things as they are in this objective football world. And no, I am not desperate to paint Woolwich as a among the better teams in Europe but fact is that they are considered to be among the top teams this season from their results ((which doesn't mean they are better than the "real big" teams).
Ending 2nd in the EPL and knocking out the favorites to win the CL this season, Real M., and beating them both home and away, does put Woolwich among the top teams in Europe this season.
If the EL is such a prestigious competition why was there a bonus of qualifying for the CL included for the winner?
You never answered why big clubs prefer to play in the CL rather than the EL even though it's much easier to win it (EL) and why do all the top players constantly talk about wanting to play in the CL rather than the EL even though they knew the EL is much easier to win?
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I don't understand, why would I answer that specific question when I'm not even arguing that point? Are you actually reading my posts?

It's obvious CL is more prestigious than EL but WINNING a trophy is seen as a success and trumps all besides all that this isn't my point - you said that Woolwich were a European force, that's what I'm arguing against.

The stupid thing is that this debate kicked off when you said it was much more of an achievement getting to the CL final then it is winning the EL, then proceeded to tie yourself in knots claiming that Woolwich have achieved more than us this season which is downright bullshit and uber weird BTW for someone so desperate to paint such a narrative for us and our rivals, weird.
 
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Gilded Lily said:
Realistically, we should aim for top 6 and one of the domestic cups. It's a less romantic vision, but we now need to balance a trophy with a better league performance.

If we got to the later stages of the Champions league too, frankly I'd be amazed, but I hope we can still show growth. It will still be great to build experience in our young team.

There's something about developing playing style too. Finding the balance between Angeball and Angewall...
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I think that is a fair bar, challenging for a domestic cup and top 7 should be achievable if we make a couple of transfers and stay relatively healthy
 
Kane's left said:
What do you expect him to say?1?
Alright guys, I'm off....because that's as good as it's going to get!!! :ange-bored2:


He might not be to everyones tastes, but in his speeches, he speaks like a true leader.
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I don’t disagree. The players clearly love him and will have more belief now.

He believes in himself and that’s great. But the weight of his words mean that anything less than the CL or PL will be seen as him not backing it up.

Personally a top 7 league finish and one of the FA or League cups will be progress/success given the reality of the other, FWIW.
 
Richard Arlison said:
If I say how confident I am about this squad for next season, the usuals won’t be able to keep their shit together so I’ll save it for later.

Ange will go into recruitment phone calls on zoom with the 4 top buttons undone, chest hair and a gold chain swinging.
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No I’m the same this squad badly needs an overhaul but it’s a big job, just say, now I’ve mentioned these two on the transfer thread we somehow land Eze & Mbeumo which the majority would be delighted with but for the good of the club and players themselves we shift Son, Davies, Forster, Richarlson & Reguilon
Okay Forster & Reguilon are not regular starters but they’re squad players we replace two and we’re 3 players down next season as much as I’m delighted we’re in the champions league, europe, league, league cup & F.A Cup + internationals that’s feckin brutal
 
I've been Ange out since Nov 2023 (and still am)
What's in it for Ange to stay ?
at the monment he is riding high, will he achieve the same or better next season ?
he must know he was close to losing his job,so start badly next season and he could be out
 
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