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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
Love calling bullshit out when I see it.

You can't fluke 15 matches in a competition including winning it. You can be Ange Out all you like, the 22 defeats are a stain that will more than likely see him gone.

But calling the EL win a fluke pours water over the achievement and shits on every fan that turned up in Bilbao as well as went to celebrate at the parade, so FUCK THAT!

Don't get me started on some of the slop we've served up in cup competitions
It's a fluke because we drew an incredibly poor number of opponents Frankfurtexcepted.......I'm not demeaning a trophy per season. It's a great achievement but it's not HIS achievement.
 
Staying on then? Next season a write off.

Would be an unbelievably bad decision.
So at some point last season, I think it was fairly early given the way the prior season had ended, with the malaise carrying over quite obviously into this, I just switched, not a conscious decision but it definitely happened, and begun to observe our games like a comedy.

It's so much more relaxed to just have a chuckle about it as a barely better than relegation fodder side knocks in their 3rd goal at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium to put the game to bed before the hour mark is even upon us, or as we gift 3 goals in a half of football to notoriously shot shy Everton side in even worse form than us, or watch Leicester turn up and win their first game in 7, and last for another 7, or give first wins of the season to Crystal Palace,and Ipswich, labour to a 0-0 draw against a bunch of retail employees, I can't wait to see next seasons additions to the list of shame!

It just became so predictable that what's the point in getting annoyed about it? It's not even a joke anymore, or gallows humour, it's evidence based observation. I'll resign myself to the same approach next season if he stays, and hope that the 2 year stint of apathy is still reversible by the time he goes.
 
if we apply the ppg of the last 28 matches of his first season to his first 10 he nets 54 points and ninth place. if we apply his ppg from his 11th match to right now it's bottom half. i'd love to see all you ange inners pony up some money on next year's league finish if he stays. would you bet your mortgage on top ten? i certainly wouldn't but i like money
Why would next year be any different from this year? Returning the same manager to the same squad will yield the same results or worse, as everyone is now a year older. Injuries likely to be the same or more, with another year of age and injuries cumulative on the bodies. And that's if no key players depart, we know that Levy is unlikely to make meaningful renovations to the starting 11.

Returning Ange is a choice to repeat the same thing, only we won't have a European competition to stagger through toward a hopeless opponent in the final.
 
Frank has helped coach average players into good players? Do you have proof... was it Frank or his coaches? Were these players already good and just needed a platform to showcase their talent. There is absolutely zero proof that Frank was on the training ground doing one to one coaching. I doubt any PL manager does any of that shit anymore.
On paper we have a better squad than Brentford. Do we? Because it cost more, doesn't mean it's better. I think this is debatable. Although we did do the double over them this season which really is an issue if you think Frank is the right man for us.
Frank seems to be a student of the game who more often than not can explain and tweak these things. Not sure about that. Hasn't done much tweaking and learning against the big six in his 4 years at Brentford. PL 10 D11 L27. 21% win percentage. Pretty poor. Even Ange is at 25% against the the five other members of the so called big six.

I think Frank is a good manager for a mid table side whose only goal is to retain it's Premier League place. His football is tough to watch, industrial at best. He will be under pressure for minute one and when we are mid table after ten games he will be getting abuse from us left, right and centre.
Ok?
Frank has helped coach average players into good players. As a head coach who always speaks with insight (imo) and tactically about the game I, as you have rightly pointed out, can only assume he has had input into player development as a result. I believe this is a fair assumption as Brentford seem to improve season upon season, but you might be right and it has nothing to do with Frank?? Fair enough!

On paper we have a better squad than Brentford! Again this is my opinion. Would need to take a poll to see if the majority agree or disagree like yourself I suppose.

Frank seems to be student of the game! I have watched and listened to a number of his post/pre press conferences and a number of interviews and he has always impressed me, but again your right, this is just my opinion/assumption and I can't counter your argument by telling you I know this for sure because I'm not at Brentford's training ground every day standing alongside Frank.

I agree with what you suggest, that at Brentford just to maintain Prem status is considered a success, but I believe with a better squad of players, or not is your argument, that the "industrial" football that Brentford churn out (in your opinion) would become far more entertaining at The Lane.

Funny Old Game!
 
We could’ve had learn from United mistake last season of letting ten hag starting the season. But no. He stays, international break of October or November he’s out.
Its the most inevitable thing i think i've ever seen in football. Massive pressure from game 1, a bad or even mediocre start, which there is no evidence to suggest it wont be, and it could be a Hoddle or Ramos 6 to 8 games. I think everyone in their heart of hearts knows this but its about getting one over the dissenting voices at this stage and winding people up as much as anything.
 
I think levy has already chose a cheap untried manager and is letting the Ange outers work themselves up (me included) so we'll be so relieved he's gone that we'll be happy with anybody..
There, I said it!
 
i'd love to see all you ange inners pony up some money on next year's league finish if he stays. would you bet your mortgage on top ten?
Not my mortgage but I'd have a flutter on it.

People have a deep conviction that Ange could never again produce a spell of good form, which I think is a bit silly and definitely not true.

I'd back him for a fast start to next season. Sustaining that? Well...
 
A squad missing 6 of their starting 11 played a game every 3.5 days for nearly 3 months. No break. No training. Play, record. Play recover.

By mid Feb they were fucked, tired and burnt out.

A decision has to be made. Win a trophy and qualify for ECL or fight for 6th.

No coach in the history of the premier league has had to deal with this number of injuries to their primary players.

Ange has earned our respect. Put this club back on the pedestal and given this group of players the belief that they can win.

It's not a case of "will Ange get sacked"....it's a case of will Ange stick with Spurs. There is not a single club in world football that wouldn't jump at the chance to hire a guaranteed winner.

Brighton had a worse injury list than Spurs and still managed a top 8 finish (23 more points), came from 2 down at home to beat us and wiped the floor with us on our home ground.
 
So at some point last season, I think it was fairly early given the way the prior season had ended, with the malaise carrying over quite obviously into this, I just switched, not a conscious decision but it definitely happened, and begun to observe our games like a comedy.

It's so much more relaxed to just have a chuckle about it as a barely better than relegation fodder side knocks in their 3rd goal at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium to put the game to bed before the hour mark is even upon us, or as we gift 3 goals in a half of football to notoriously shot shy Everton side in even worse form than us, or watch Leicester turn up and win their first game in 7, and last for another 7, or give first wins of the season to Crystal Palace,and Ipswich, labour to a 0-0 draw against a bunch of retail employees, I can't wait to see next seasons additions to the list of shame!

It just became so predictable that what's the point in getting annoyed about it? It's not even a joke anymore, or gallows humour, it's evidence based observation. I'll resign myself to the same approach next season if he stays, and hope that the 2 year stint of apathy is still reversible by the time he goes.
sure this is a smart way to live life but on the other hand, for many, week to week spurs is our major outside interest and hobby and how we interact with friends etc.. the last year and a half has been miserable and we want our tottenham back.
 
Not my mortgage but I'd have a flutter on it.

People have a deep conviction that Ange could never again produce a spell of good form, which I think is a bit silly and definitely not true.

I'd back him for a fast start to next season. Sustaining that? Well...
deep conviction, lol. it's the fucking statistics you twat. but sure go bet your first born on ange repeating the form of the first 10 games. you'll get terrific odds. is gambling legal in illinois? post your bet slip
 
Its the most inevitable thing i think i've ever seen in football. Massive pressure from game 1, a bad or even mediocre start, which there is no evidence to suggest it wont be, and it could be a Hoddle or Ramos 6 to 8 games. I think everyone in their heart of hearts knows this but its about getting one over the dissenting voices at this stage and winding people up as much as anything.
Trophy or not you cannot keep the manager that manage the worst league campaign of the club in modern history. He finished 17th! with a top 5-8 squad.
 
Staying on then? Next season a write off.

Would be an unbelievably bad decision.
I'll check the news and tune in again when he's gone in Oct/Nov. You couldn't pay a team of professional writers to come up with a comedy as slapstick as Tottenham Hotspur Football club, repeating a mistake United themselves made this season except the difference between ETH's last full season and what will likely be Ange's last full season are fucking drastic.
If we go and buy 4 or 5 genuine quality players to cover the huge gaps in the squad we might, might, be able to avoid embarrassing ourselves in multiple competitions next season. Problem is, I can't remember the last time we signed 4 or 5 quality players in 1 window.
 
Think of the positives lads. Will start with full strength team, lots of goodwill, some good buys will strengthen further. We can aim for top 5.

If it goes tits up early, we sack in Oct. But it won't come to this touchwood.

COYS
 
Probably should be in here Airfixx Airfixx

Look; I think Ange should be replaced, but hats off to the guy for putting the club ahead of personal philosophy and romanticism when real shit was on the line.

21.05.25 meant a hell of a lot to a lot of people.
Yup, it did to me too. And I've posted as much. I just can't stand the guy. Think he's a narcissist, full of himself and BS, and to top it off don't think he's up to the job. I just don't share the "hat's off to the guy" sentiment in quite the same way as you do I suspect.
 
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