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Management Ange Postecoglou

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GeorgeGraham said:
Dortmund are in an almost unique position.
They’re the second team in a one team league.
There really isn’t a third team.
There going to be a major destination for players that want to play in Germany that Bayern don’t want.

We could probably compete for Dortmund-like resources if Chelsea, United, Liverpool and Woolwich didn’t exist.
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They do a great job of bringing their own academy and young players through, though.

They also charge reasonable ticket prices so have an incredible atmosphere in the stadium.

Levy probably just looks at them and sees that they can compete in champs leg without spending Prem money
 
Richard Arlison said:
They do a great job of bringing their own academy and young players through, though.

They also charge reasonable ticket prices so have an incredible atmosphere in the stadium.

Levy probably just looks at them and sees that they can compete in champs leg without spending Prem money
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Can you name 5 players Dortmund have brought through in the past 5 years from their academy?
 
Starks said:
Can you name 5 players Dortmund have brought through in the past 5 years from their academy?
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Obviously Reus and Goetze but they also just brought Bellingham and Sancho through and constantly pick up young players that are graduating academies or not getting mins at big league clubs and develop them into stars.

I guess the academy thing is a bit of an assumption but the model is clearly on young players for cheap. That’s what appeals to Levy.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Obviously Reus and Goetze but they also just brought Bellingham and Sancho through and constantly pick up young players that are graduating academies or not getting mins at big league clubs and develop them into stars.

I guess the academy thing is a bit of an assumption but the model is clearly on young players for cheap. That’s what appeals to Levy.
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Does Reus really count though? He was released at the age of 16 and then re-signed at the age of 23 after he had developed elsewhere.

Dortmund are no better at bringing through their academy products than we are. They are however good at giving young players a platform before selling them on. A stepping stone club so to speak.

Are Spurs fans happy for us to be that? I guess we were that once upon a time. But it doesn't really get you too far.
 
Starks said:
Alot mentioned bout Ange's record in the CL with Celtic.

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XG nerds will tell you that it's likely a different story.
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Well aren't we lucky we have no European football then...
 
Maureen said:
Come on he had enough appearances to show something! He showed nothing that would equate to being a £60M player. In fact some on here say he runs around a bit. Ffs least expect a footballer is to run around a bit. How about controlling the ball running with it without falling over looking for free kicks. Also how about using what’s between your eyes and use your eyes to check where the last defender is and not be 10 yards in front of him when balls are played forward. Absolute dog shite player never should have got him and has no proven goal s doing record.
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I have to agree with this. I’ve not seen one thing that makes me think he could be a success for us. At Everton he was a bustler and a handful for defenders but since he’s joined us he’s been horrific. I remember when Sigurdsson joined us I thought we were getting a ridiculously good player but the club and expectation was too big for him. It looks the same for Richarlison. And before I get the he’s Brazil’s number 9 shite that doesn’t mean fuck all when he can’t do it at club level. Been a massive waste of money and if we could recoup most of that then he should be moved on.
 
Brian Fantana said:
I did say a few times last season that I couldn’t believe what Conte was doing wanting us to defend deeper and deeper and absorb pressure so much on the edge of our box and sometimes deeper with the defenders we have and their ability. Surely the best way to not concede, especially if you’ve shit defenders, is to keep the ball as far away from your own goal as possible. Whilst at the same time have as much of the ball as possible. Conte’s football really was fucking stupid.
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Conte football was some of the worst I have ever seen ,don’t get me wrong I was glad he went however he still had us in the top 4 before he left , look what happened when he went , Newcastle proved he was right - the squad don’t like pressure , they can’t handle it , regardless of who comes in we need a huge clear out or things will never change .
 
Starks said:
Does Reus really count though? He was released at the age of 16 and then re-signed at the age of 23 after he had developed elsewhere.

Dortmund are no better at bringing through their academy products than we are. They are however good at giving young players a platform before selling them on. A stepping stone club so to speak.

Are Spurs fans happy for us to be that? I guess we were that once upon a time. But it doesn't really get you too far.
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It’s a good question.

Right now it feels like we’ve all settled for the fact that Levy won’t spend to make us a real big club with serial winners that play counter attacks.

So we may as well go back to the good old days of developing young players for Real Madrid and playing fun football.

We know our owners don’t know how to create a winning culture in either model so the football may as well be fun.

Suspect the patience for this back to the future model may not last as long as it did the first time.
 
kenpaisley79 said:
Postecoglou's system works for Celtic as they play teams who put ten men in defence and allow them possession, practically every game. This means their forward players can attack at will, which he has trained them to do well and this will get goals. Teams though that on the occasion do attack them, have exploited the inverted full backs Ange plays. He's relied on Vickers immensely and when he hasn't played, they've been vulnerable to attacks and since he's been injured they've been very poor at the back, as was evident in the last old firm.

Only Rangers have given them a game and they're in a bad place and due a rebuild and have been badly managed in regards to recruitment (something Ange has got right and it's made a big difference). Celtic have clearly got the better of Rangers since Beale came in at Xmas with results, but in reality, Rangers have done well to exploit Ange's system quite well, they've just lacked the players to maximise possession, having only one recognised forward in Morelos, who has been poor and had his eyes on the exit door being now out of contract.

In Europe, Celtic haven't the resources to truly compete with the bigger teams, which is no fault of theirs given the finances and the fact their regular Scottish fodder standard of opposition is so poor, it's hardly practice for Champions League level teams. But still, Ange has stubbornly stuck to the same formation... Attack and keep running, still playing inverted fullbacks, even when teams have easily worked out all they have to do is exploit the wings when the full backs are out of position and they're short at the back. Good teams just let Celtic tire themselves out, then hit fast on the break. Even Scottish teams started to catch on.

Perhaps with better resources and players, Ange could make the system work in the SPL. He's charasmatic and seems to create a good environment for players. It will take time though to implement his system, in Scotland when he took over, Celtic were still a strong team, even though Rangers had just won the league the season before, the players he had were always going to be enough to beat SPL teams. I think having to face MUCH better teams in the EPL will be a step beyond his current abilities, especially as he sticks so strictly to the one formation/tactics and teams will take advantage of that and punish his naivety and inexperience.

On recruitment he's done well bringing players from Japan. Three players in particular made a huge difference. Kyogo, Hatate and Maeda. When Kyogo or/and Hatate haven't played - especially if Vickers is also out - the fringe players struggle to replace them and make an impact and Celtic can be very sluggish. This could be down to the fast system he plays, needing players to be playing regularly to hold it together. Ange isn't big on rotation.
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'Ange only plays one way tactically' is a myth. Celtic can park the bus once they get their nose in front. Ange play defensively on at least 3 times against Rangers, at Ibrox last season, this season in the Legue Cup final and in the Scottish Cup semi. Once we scored a couple, Ange shuts up shop, he knows how to defend.
 
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'Ange only plays one way tactically' is a myth. Celtic can park the bus once they get their nose in front. Ange play defensively on at least 3 times against Rangers, at Ibrox last season, this season in the Legue Cup final and in the Scottish Cup semi. Once we scored a couple, Ange shuts up shop, he knows how to defend.
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Another Celtic fan that joined the board yesterday to defend him and sell their manager to Spurs fans?

Bit weird tbh
 
Read all the articles, watched all the videos, Ange sounds like a good coach and great man manager.

But this whole thing still feels like a classic half-baked Levy cock up. Where is the DOF? Where is the structure? The plan and vision to compete?

Hope I’m wrong.
 
tru odds said:
'Ange only plays one way tactically' is a myth. Celtic can park the bus once they get their nose in front. Ange play defensively on at least 3 times against Rangers, at Ibrox last season, this season in the Legue Cup final and in the Scottish Cup semi. Once we scored a couple, Ange shuts up shop, he knows how to defend.
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Thanks

He'll defo have to play differently in the PL. The best teams play very much using their keeper as sweeper. This "don't pass back" doesn't work, otherwise you're 10 v 11. Brighton even played chicken with City the other day, daring their forwards to press the keeper. Ended 1-1, great game. If we'd played that way v the Goons or Chavs I would be in hospital now on life support.

But he's a smart guy, I'm sure he knows all this already.

Not my first choice but I'd be very happy with him. Also it seems he won't take any shit from Levy
 
Richard Arlison said:
Another Celtic fan that joined the board yesterday to defend him and sell their manager to Spurs fans?

Bit wei
Richard Arlison said:
Another Celtic fan that joined the board yesterday to defend him and sell their manager to Spurs fans?

Bit weird tbh
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It does feel weird to me too tbh. Just excited to see if Ange can implement the style in EPL. If he can't, its at your club's expense haha. Ange will always be welcome back at Celtic Park.
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Richard Arlison said:
It’s a good question.

Right now it feels like we’ve all settled for the fact that Levy won’t spend to make us a real big club with serial winners that play counter attacks.

So we may as well go back to the good old days of developing young players for Real Madrid and playing fun football.

We know our owners don’t know how to create a winning culture in either model so the football may as well be fun.

Suspect the patience for this back to the future model may not last as long as it did the first time.
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We have spent a fortune since the stadium opened, the line that Levy is cheap is outdated thinking that hasn't been true for years. We spend huge amounts on buying players and sacking managers. It's how it's being spent that is our issue.

Sessegnon - £30m
Ndombele - £50m
Lo Celso - £50m
Reguilon - £30m
Bergwijn - £25m
Romero - £50m
Emerson - £25m
Gil - £25m (plus Lamela)
Bissouma - £25m
Richarlison - £60m
Porro - £50m
Spence - £20m

Including cheaper players like Rodon, Doherty etc that's around £500m spent on players in 4 years. We are spending money, obscene amounts of money. We are just spending it on rubbish players. We are spending money that, with competent football people making decisions, would be more than enough to make us competitive. If you gave the football executives at City £500m to spend, I guarantee they would get multiple world class players with it.
 
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