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Management Ange Postecoglou

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StevenPL said:
A billion on wages and signings, well I said recently but it's great to see you included wages.... How much have Chelsea just spent??? No compare ...

You are fucking delusional not realising the difference in ability to coach between the spl and England especially when you have the old firm and money compared to say st Johnstone..., his style of football (not from what I saw in aus) its competence that counts not fucking style of football. You want a coach who can play good football so do I! But what makes you think this guy's Cv is going to deliver that on this stage. Do you remember Ossie??.
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The guy qualified Australia for the World Cup then walked away because of personal/family reasons and got these issues sorted. He then went to Japan and managed in the highly competitive/demanding J League, spent a year restructuring a very poor team out, then won the league the following year. And of course you know what he has done at Celtic. He presents as a true pragmatist and signing for Spurs would be brilliant for us and obviously the next level of progression for him. Just about very team he has managed has improved immensely , so as a fan, instead of shit canning him, roll out the welcome mat and give him a go. I think if he signs for us we will be very fortunate indeed!
 
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Starks said:
Fine, I won't include wages. He's spent over a billion in transfer fees alone.



I forgot that other leagues have different amount of players on the pitch at once and use different balls. I apologise.
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So you've got nothing football wise other than listening to Celtic fans wank off about beating Dundee after spending 50m and having a wage bill multiples higher?

You simply don't understand, talking about good football means nothing. ... You can't actually explain why he will be at a good enough level to manage us in the Premier League. How many fucking managers talk about style of football then can't deliver when put on a league which is above their pay grade.

Do you honestly believe the spl is in anyway comparable with English football?

Look if he had managed something miraculous with Dundee Hearts Hibs Motherwell st Johnstone or Aberdeen, I'd be onboard. But all has done is won the league with a team who had won 11 of the last 12 titles while outspending the rest of the league combined multiple times over.

Charisma alone won't cut it in the premier league, and frankly neither will a total lack of big league experience.
 
Hoopster said:
Oh and I love beating Dundee.

Probably a lot more than you love watching your team fail to win anything whilst an Oil funded club makes an absolutely mockery of your league. 😎
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Your a twat, so it's oil funded? Whats the issue with that? Seriously what moral issue is thier? They won the post code lottery.

Better than watching a sectarian riddled bunch of bigots ruin my league!

You'll never be a proper big team! Just a team full of wee bigots
 
StevenPL said:
So you've got nothing football wise other than listening to Celtic fans wank off about beating Dundee after spending 50m and having a wage bill multiples higher?

You simply don't understand, talking about good football means nothing. ... You can't actually explain why he will be at a good enough level to manage us in the Premier League. How many fucking managers talk about style of football then can't deliver when put on a league which is above their pay grade.

Do you honestly believe the spl is in anyway comparable with English football?

Look if he had managed something miraculous with Dundee Hearts Hibs Motherwell st Johnstone or Aberdeen, I'd be onboard. But all has done is won the league with a team who had won 11 of the last 12 titles while outspending the rest of the league combined multiple times over.

Charisma alone won't cut it in the premier league, and frankly neither will a total lack of big league experience.
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Ange might be a success but anyone that doesn’t recognise that coaching in Japan, Australia & Scotland is completely different to coaching Spurs is deluding themselves.

There are so many more challenges involved in managing a club at our level. Every week next season will be a knife fight. The media are sharks. Player egos/politics are a whole new dimension.

Coaching a team to play on the front foot in a league where other coaches are limited is one thing. This is the Prem, Villa have Emery. These teams have players worth 40/50m. They will adapt and hurt you, like teams in Europe hurt Celtic.

We are a MESS. This job is huge & he’s NEVER dealt with anything like us before. There are huge question marks over whether he can and doing it in these other countries does not prove a thing.
 
StevenPL said:
So you've got nothing football wise other than listening to Celtic fans wank off about beating Dundee after spending 50m and having a wage bill multiples higher?
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I am not sure what that's got to do with Ange or his coaching.

Going by this ridiculous logic, we'd have finished 5th in the Premier League season and not be outclassed by the likes of Brentford, Bournemouth and Brighton this season.

StevenPL said:
You simply don't understand, talking about good football means nothing. ... You can't actually explain why he will be at a good enough level to manage us in the Premier League. How many fucking managers talk about style of football then can't deliver when put on a league which is above their pay grade.
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I haven't once said Ange would be a success here. I just simply haven't dismissed him as easily as you have based on the fact before last month, you'd never heard of him.

Can you name me one manager who not only played great football across many different leagues, but also won in said leagues, came to the Premier League and didn't succeed in one way or another? I'm just asking the question


StevenPL said:
Look if he had managed something miraculous with Dundee Hearts Hibs Motherwell st Johnstone or Aberdeen, I'd be onboard. But all has done is won the league with a team who had won 11 of the last 12 titles while outspending the rest of the league combined multiple times over.

Charisma alone won't cut it in the premier league, and frankly neither will a total lack of big league experience.
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Again, winning isn't the reason we're interested in Ange. We're not interesting in Postecoglu because he happened to win Celtic a treble. That's quite frankly irrelevant.

I'm not going to sit here and say he'll come in, have us playing as good as Celtic have played and change our fortunes. But I can tell you now, we'll enjoy what we see on a weekly basis and see a semblance of actual coaching. Something our eyes have been starved off for 5 or so years.

And that's something to build on. Beyond a year or two, that might not be Postecoglu. He may feel after a year or two, he doesn't have it in him to take us where we believe we should be. But if those ground works have been laid for another progressive manager to come in and not have to start from scratch which Ange would basically be doing, then I'd say he'd have done relatively well.
 
pleb said:
The guy qualified Australia for the World Cup the walked away because of personal/family reasons and got these issues sorted. He then went to Japan and managed in the highly competitive/demanding J League, spent a year restructuring a very poor team out, then won the league the following year. And of course you know what he has done at Celtic. He presents as a true pragmatist and signing for Spurs would be brilliant for us and obviously the next level of progression for him. Just about very team he has managed has improved immensely , so as a fan, instead of shit canning him, roll out the welcome mat and give him a go. I think if he signs for us we will be very fortunate indeed!
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He qualified Australia against American Samoa 25 nil? Genius!!!

Biggest fucking team in Japan.... Biggest team..

At Celtic FFS theyve won the treble 5 times in 10 years, failed to win the league once when their manager had a mental break down, oh and spent 50 million on a league where most teams spend 300,000.

He has neither the ability or experience to work with us and is clearly a levy special for when the euro money has run out. He is a fucking colossal disaster waiting to happen and explains the hiring of munn. Sorry but this will be Levy's biggest disaster. If world class managers whove won it all can't do it with this team and chairmen why do you think this guy can? And don't say his good football.
 
StevenPL said:
He qualified Australia against American Samoa 25 nil? Genius!!!

Biggest fucking team in Japan.... Biggest team..

At Celtic FFS theyve won the treble 5 times in 10 years, failed to win the league once when their manager had a mental break down, oh and spent 50 million on a league where most teams spend 300,000.

He has neither the ability or experience to work with us and is clearly a levy special for when the euro money has run out. He is a fucking colossal disaster waiting to happen and explains the hiring of munn. Sorry but this will be Levy's biggest disaster. If world class managers whove won it all can't do it with this team and chairmen why do you think this guy can? And don't say his good football.
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Lets really hope that fans like yourself are not a growing minority in our club, otherwise we are fucked!
 
Starks said:
I am not sure what that's got to do with Ange or his coaching.

Going by this ridiculous logic, we'd have finished 5th in the Premier League season and not be outclassed by the likes of Brentford, Bournemouth and Brighton this season.



I haven't once said Ange would be a success here. I just simply haven't dismissed him as easily as you have based on the fact before last month, you'd never heard of him.

Can you name me one manager who not only played great football across many different leagues, but also won in said leagues, came to the Premier League and didn't succeed in one way or another? I'm just asking the question




Again, winning isn't the reason we're interested in Ange. We're not interesting in Postecoglu because he happened to win Celtic a treble. That's quite frankly irrelevant.

I'm not going to sit here and say he'll come in, have us playing as good as Celtic have played and change our fortunes. But I can tell you now, we'll enjoy what we see on a weekly basis and see a semblance of actual coaching. Something our eyes have been starved off for 5 or so years.

And that's something to build on. Beyond a year or two, that might not be Postecoglu. He may feel after a year or two, he doesn't have it in him to take us where we believe we should be. But if those ground works have been laid for another progressive manager to come in and not have to start from scratch which Ange would basically be doing, then I'd say he'd have done relatively well.
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Fuck me, Winning isn't why we are brining him in??.... So we want to lose? Do you think he can bring through great players because he brought through??.. do you think he has form on a budget? 50m at Celtic the highest amount they've ever spent!!!

This is the fucking premier league. There are hundreds of managers who have managed and played in proper leagues and play GOOD football who know what they are actually doing. You are talking about a guy who has nothing like that on his CV.

For fucks sake Celtic have won the league and have had a goal difference of 50+ pretty much non stop for the last decade. Do you think those managers weren't playing attacking football?? Seriously do you?

They had one bad fucking season, he comes in spends a fortune (for them) and they go back to what they were achieving before? They are scoring the same amount of goals! They've actually not done as well points wise and have gotten humiliated in Europe.

I am spurs, I want to play our way and have not enjoyed Conte Maureen or Nuno, but I know we need a proper manager to achieve what we want.

I've said this before and will say it again - I watched his teams in aus - the football is shit there! Download a fucking game and watch it. Winning in the spl is easy when you have so so so much more money.
 
StevenPL said:
Fuck me, Winning isn't why we are brining him in??.... So we want to lose? Do you think he can bring through great players because he brought through??.. do you think he has form on a budget? 50m at Celtic the highest amount they've ever spent!!!
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No, I Imagine we want to play exciting football again with someone who has shown to be able to get those methods across many different players across many different leagues.

You keep mentioning his spend so I looked it up. His net spend in the two seasons he's been at Celtic has been a whopping MINUS £2,500,000. Yeah, talk about splashing that cash.

StevenPL said:
This is the fucking premier league. There are hundreds of managers who have managed and played in proper leagues and play GOOD football who know what they are actually doing. You are talking about a guy who has nothing like that on his CV.
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I asked you to name a manager who had managed in many different leagues, playing good football in those leagues, winning things in said leagues and came to the Premier League and flopped.

It shouldn't be that hard.

StevenPL said:
For fucks sake Celtic have won the league and have had a goal difference of 50+ pretty much non stop for the last decade. Do you think those managers weren't playing attacking football?? Seriously do you?
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Did I once say they didn't play attacking football?

There's a difference between playing attacking football and playing good football though. Or would you say you never really saw a difference between us under Sherwood and us under Pochettino?

StevenPL said:
They had one bad fucking season, he comes in spends a fortune (for them) and they go back to what they were achieving before? They are scoring the same amount of goals! They've actually not done as well points wise and have gotten humiliated in Europe.
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Again, very simplistic and lazy way of looking at things. Just by taking 5 minutes to look, I can see he didn't spend a fortune in his debut season at all. He made £33,000,000 give or take through sales of players in the summer and spent about £20,000,000 on incomings.

Points and goals isn't really an indicator of good coaching. We finished on more points under AVB than we did under any Redknapp season. What team played the better football? In fact, AVBs first season points total of 72 points is still the 3rd best points tally we've ever managed in the Premier League. Yet I'd take every single Redknapp and Pochettino season over it in terms of football played.

StevenPL said:
I am spurs, I want to play our way and have not enjoyed Conte Maureen or Nuno, but I know we need a proper manager to achieve what we want.
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What is a proper manager?
 
A question I haven't heard asked is what impact hiring Postecoglou has on Kane returning? Or, is it an indication Kane has already told Levy he's going in a year?
 
StevenPL said:
For having a fucking clue! Yeah good one.

So should be more like: my mate says Celtic are like real Madrid when they beat Dundee .. oh except real fucked them 8-1 in Europe. Yeah head in the sand.
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I guess the difference then between us is that you obviously look at this from the position of "the glass being half empty" whereas I am in the camp of "the glass being half full". I am fed up with the club hiring high profile prim a-dona managers who do not get the job done and blame others instead of taking responsibility for their shit management styles/failures. This guy is a work horse who gets the job done, now he wants to progress and try his skills set in the PL. I for one wish him well and am very optimistic that he can do the job. I also think that if Mason can stay as an assistant manager working under him that would not be a bad thing for him and keeping Kane as well.
 
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StevenPL said:
Wow, first up I watched his team in Australia - nope it was not good football!!! Do you understand I've actually seen where this was meant to be great and it wasn't. winning in such a poor league (spl) when you've spent 50m in two seasons is about players not style when your opponents can spend soo much less. The fact they, celtic, have won multiple trebles in the last 10 years also suggests it's not a big deal..

The fact Gerrard won something with rangers considering how bad they had been ie relegated to the bottom tier was meant to be a sign of his brilliance. (Snigger)

Celtic worst period in decades - same fucking thing, rangers are clearly going through thiers! but if not winning the league one year because their coach (Neil Lennon, good guy) had a mental break down, is their worst period well errrrr... Really so AP changed the world??...

Fuck me if you think he will come in and simply implement his (snigger) brand of football and we will simply be ok, youve lost the plot. The Celtic fans were calling him neive in Europe and that is what will translate!

Ps Guardiola has spent way less than you think in the premier League in the last few years, and like most I think he is the best manager in the world - because his record says it all in the Spanish league, German league and English league....... oh and Champions league.

So it's about understanding what he can achieve with us in the premier league based on where he has been. It's nowhere near good enough. We are trying to bring in somebody to steady the ship and build something. He is not even close to that.

Let's get something straight I've watched football in Australia, in Scotland for 5 years and England, even some in the middle east. Oh and America Spain and Holland. The differential between Australia and Scotland and the rest is mind-blowing.
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Judging by your post, you're unfamiliar with the Scottish game
 
Dudski said:
A question I haven't heard asked is what impact hiring Postecoglou has on Kane returning? Or, is it an indication Kane has already told Levy he's going in a year?
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Obviously, I don't really know, but I guess the process will follow what happened at Celtic where a number of high profile players wanted away before Ange got there.

He simply said to them: this who I am, this is what I want to do here, this is what I think it will take, and this is what you will have to do to be part of it... do you want to be part of it?

Three or four players left, netting Celtic 30-40 mill and he started rebuilding the squad bringing in players who did share the vision and wanted to make the effort.

Different stage and far different level of player, but that's more or less what will happen.
 
Look lads,don't you get it, we're supposed to wait until he's successful in a ''proper'' league before we can sign him...

But I'm an impatient cunt and want to see if he can be successful in our league with us instead...To dare is to do and all that...
 
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