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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
So rebuilding the rebuild?

Isn't it just Davies and Son still here from the Poch era (not couning Sess and Gio).

How many times ffs.

I think 4 players change this team.
A proper 6 and 3x starting forwards.

I rate our defensive players but they are completely exposed in this system with these midfielders/attackers.
Need to change the system. Even good quality forward will lose the ball now and then and our FBs will be in the oppo pen box circle having to scramble back like the charge of the light brigade.
 
Fast, dynamic, aggressively attacking football.

Totally fearless at the heart of it.

Everything everyone demanded after Jose/Conte!

This way of playing demands technical ability for it to succeed.

Especially in this league.

Summer window crucial.
Not exactly fast when Vic and cuti just piss about with the ball and the forwards just roll the ball back whence it came!
 
He doesnt help himself talking about titles and trophies when we cant even pick up 3 pts

Hes fighting for his job. I think tonight is the first time hes realised.
Walk before you can run, it’s all BS bravado about wanting to challenge for the title. If he had proper balls we’d up there this season. We have a good enough team but he has failed to motivate them and hamstrung them with his tactics. Literally hamstring in VDV’s case.
 
Right time to put on the grown up trousers.....


Ange isn't going anywhere...... And neither should he.

We need to stick with him and see what can happen when you actually stick with a manager for a whole season and give him a couple of transfer windows to instigate his methods and his style.

The cold hard facts are that if we get four points from the next 4 games...... Ange's record for his first season in charge will be better than Poch's was in the first season not just his first season at Spurs...but his first season in the Premier League.

Everyone lauds Poch as one of our best managers ever and it looks like Ange will surpass Poch's points total in his first season.

There were plenty of bad patches in Poch's first season as well and many similar runs and there was definitely some iffy football and patches.

Poch had arguably a much stronger side and less competition than Ange has had.


Trust in Ange and see where it takes us....... Changing the manager again will be pointless until we've given Postecoglou a fair crack of the whip.
No he didn’t he had a shit squad and I can’t recall who he purchased in summer 2014. He had to get rid of a load of players as well. How much have we spent for Ange already. Also we have no Europe, no cups as well. Poch got us to league cup final. So had more games. This has been a free hit for Ange to try out players, youth players, diff systems and tactics. He has done none of that. If he did everyone would be behind him as he can say and we would agree that his trying things out. However his doing nothing of the sort.
 
There are really some naïve or deluded posters on here. I saw a list of 3 managers few days ago, namely Ferguson, Klopp and Arteta, claiming they had bad starts at their clubs but they were kept and brought success. Seriously, are you comparing the spending they had at their respective clubs with what we do at Spurs???
woolwich finished second last season, they went and paid £100m for Rice this season and see where they are now. Levy won't do such, he will say we have squad capable of top 4 and that's enough.

We came second in the league and were CL finalist, did Levy back Poch? No, he didn't, in fact at our peak we had a couple of windows where didn't buy any player, even worse Moussa Dembele was sold in a Jan TW without replace, the excuse being the new stadium.
We had world class serial winners managers in Jose and Conte, were they backed? NO.
Ange wouldn't be any different to any other manager we had when comes to spending. We keep accumulating dead wood and rebuild is a never ending story so will be the hiring and firing of managers.
 
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Pochettino in his early days with us and even Klopp in his early days with Liverpool, did not ask fans to have complete blind faith. There would be a performance once every few weeks to show the fans "This is what the team will look like every week when I've had more time".

It's no exaggeration to say that we have seen next to zero 90 minute performances of quality since October/November.

He may be the right man for the job, but it's completely baseless to think so at the minute. There isn't even a body of work from the past to back it up.
Yes when was the last time we actually had a solid performance for 90 minutes? Most games it’s a short 10-15 min spell and the rest of the game is just luck.
 
There are really some naïve or deluded posters on here. I saw a list of 3 managers few days ago, namely Ferguson, Klopp and Arteta, claiming they had bad starts at their clubs but they were kept and brought success. Seriously, are you comparing the spending they had at their respective clubs with what we do at Spurs???
woolwich finished second last season, they went and paid £100m for Rice this season and see where they are now. Levy won't do such, he will say we have squad capable of top 4 and that's enough.

We came second in the league and were CL finalist, did Levy back Poch? No, he didn't, in fact at our peak we had a couple of windows where didn't buy any player, even worse Moussa Dembele was sold in a Jan TW without replace, the excuse being the new stadium.
We had world class serial winners of managers in Jose and Conte, were they backed? NO.
Ange wouldn't be any different to any other manager we had when comes to spending. We keep accumulating dead wood and rebuild is a never ending story so will be the hiring and firing of managers.

Funny that because we've already spent more in our first year under Ange then Woolwich and Liverpool spent in their first years with their managers and let's get this straight...Liverpool have spent around €350 net under Klopp in 8 years, so let's not try and act as if that's well out of our price range or what we aren't capable of doing.

Comparing Spurs 7-8 years ago to now is a non comparison, we weren't spending anywhere near as much money as we are now or have been over the last 5 years or so, nor did we have a sustainable strategy in place in terms of recruitment like we have now. The win now managers you mentioned were a crap fit for the ethos of the club so they were never going to work.

Your argument doesn't make much sense I'm afraid.
 
I don’t mind the comments. He’s only repeating what almost all of us say. And, at the very least, it should move things along.

That said, if you do talk like that, you have no choice but to deliver. You can’t call everyone else out but then give yourself leeway.

Not that I think he’s like that.

Also, I don’t care about your principles. Sort out set pieces.
I still don't get why defending set pieces properly is so 'beneath us'?? Surely it's as much part of the game as attacking efficiently... yet we're doing neither ATM.

It's like for years when England never practiced penalties, and always went out on penalties...

Them some genius decided to start practicing them, and before you know it, we'd win a few pen shoot outs!
Who knows if it was coincidence, but it certainly had SOME bearing!!
 
He'd probably get the respect of the players. And up their game. But no top manager will work out with Levy long term.
Surely we need a manager whose gonna put a rocket up
players arses! When people talk about front football it’s not about this shite we play. Lots of teams have played this style before. What we want is the style we had under Harry and poch’s beat years. We were fast and physical wit some technical ability thrown in. What we have now is sleep walk football. There is no tempo in our game. We sometimes see it when we are chasing the game. However generally watch us play especially in the first half we play that walking football old agers play.
 
I’ve repeatedly said he needs another season. But I’m also not blind to what I’m seeing at the moment.

I was lucky enough to have an insight into the buy in Poch got from a relatively young squad in his second season, missed a chance to spend a day with them pre season training which I’ll always be gutted about.

At this point that is what Ange needs to create. That feeling they can take on the world. Right now you can see it’s not there. Well he is saying it’s not there.

So I hope he can do it.

From my point of view the lack of game time this season has probably been his biggest hindrance.
The people who didn’t want European football have seen the side effect of stop start football, getting no rhythm, just training and lack of actual game time.

Hopefully next season with more games,more players will be “match sharp” and he can blood some kids too.
One thing poch did was to turn people like Roy Keane and Fergie as in we didn’t have a soft under belly. He made us hard as well as good attacking. Remember the season when we let in the least amount of goals. Unheard for a spurs team to be that strong defensively. We also still played attacking football, won all our home games and never drew a game. Now where do you see any of that in Ange’s system. “This is who we are” bollocks doesn’t cut the mustard. As his not someone whose just invented attacking football.
 
There are really some naïve or deluded posters on here. I saw a list of 3 managers few days ago, namely Ferguson, Klopp and Arteta, claiming they had bad starts at their clubs but they were kept and brought success. Seriously, are you comparing the spending they had at their respective clubs with what we do at Spurs???
woolwich finished second last season, they went and paid £100m for Rice this season and see where they are now. Levy won't do such, he will say we have squad capable of top 4 and that's enough.

We came second in the league and were CL finalist, did Levy back Poch? No, he didn't, in fact at our peak we had a couple of windows where didn't buy any player, even worse Moussa Dembele was sold in a Jan TW without replace, the excuse being the new stadium.
We had world class serial winners of managers in Jose and Conte, were they backed? NO.
Ange wouldn't be any different to any other manager we had when comes to spending. We keep accumulating dead wood and rebuild is a never ending story so will be the hiring and firing of managers.
Levy backed Poch after the CL final. How did that work out?

We have the 4th biggest net spend over the past 5 years.


It’s important we speak about facts
 
No he didn’t he had a shit squad
Poch had a shit squad in 2014 did he?

Lloris
Vertonghen
Demble
Eriksen
Kyle Walker
Eric Dier
Chadli
Dawson
Harry Kane

Kane scored 21 goals and was second only to Aguero.

And although everyone questions listing Chadli - he scored 11 that season and had a fair few assists (1 less goal than wonder kid Rooney at Man United). Would love those numbers from Johnson or Kulu.

He also had Bentaleb, Lamela, Danny Rose, Aaron Lennon

Amazingly Ben Davies was also there.


Not exactly a shit squad is it.
 
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