So you dont think Arteta deserved time but with the benefit it time he got better and got Woolwich to where they are now, yet you're not giving Ange the same luxury?
Ok I think we'll leave it there then...
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So you dont think Arteta deserved time but with the benefit it time he got better and got Woolwich to where they are now, yet you're not giving Ange the same luxury?
Ok I think we'll leave it there then...
I'm not Ange out per se, He obviously needs to do a lot more work on set pieces but he seems to play that down and won't get a set piece coach. He won't adjust his tactics in general when they're not working.
With Werner Son Johnson as a front line it's all about pace and space, not possession football.
I liken it to a boxing match, if you have a long reach you want to keep your distance and pick off the opponent that way, if you have a short reach you need to get in closer.
So we're not playing the correct tactics to suit ourselves. In fact I get the feeling that other teams like playing against us.
With Werner Son Johnson as a front line it's all about pace and space, not possession football.
I liken it to a boxing match, if you have a long reach you want to keep your distance and pick off the opponent that way, if you have a short reach you need to get in closer.
So we're not playing the correct tactics to suit ourselves. In fact I get the feeling that other teams like playing against us.
But Arteta was a newbie that needed time, Ange is supposed to be a proven winner.
For all the talk of Arteta i can think of another Woolwich manager that our situation reminds me of. Bruce Rioch who took over at the arse end of the George Graham and then Stewart Housten era. They had finished 12th and were a desperate side, been on the fringes of a relegation fight for a lot of the season. Rioch took them to 5th and played better football than theyd seen for ages. They sacked him late that summer, partly over a row about transfer targets but also they didnt think he was the man to push them on. They then appointed Wenger. Loads of fuss at the time about how harsh it was. Wenger improved them straight away, no rebuilds or projects. They finished 3rd and won the double the season after.
Again for all the talk of Arteta, he won the FA cup in his first part season beating City and Chelsea. That earned him time. Dont think anyone would be concerned if we were about to lift the cup.
Again for all the talk of Arteta, he won the FA cup in his first part season beating City and Chelsea. That earned him time. Dont think anyone would be concerned if we were about to lift the cup.
Indeed and like I said Arteta was given a whole load of time, I don't expect the same amount of time to be given to Ange.
But there's a difference between giving a coach 3 years to get it right as opposed to 1 year hence why he should be getting another season regardless.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that that Grace would have probably worm off if we finished 8th then 8th again despite winning the FA cup.
Ange seems tactically naive though, he's playing possession footaball with a front 3 of Werner Son Johnson. All three of those players are mainly about having space to play in and are very pacy. Even I can see that and I've never managed or coached a football team in my life.
If he was a newbie like Arteta was when he got his job then possibly it's more understandable.
I'd give him another season but I'm not confident he'll be any better next season.
Probably right. Arteta having no fans in the ground for a year of his crap form helped. Their board got it right, it was his first job, won the cup and they kept faith but for every one example of keeping faith with a manager working there are dozens that were kept too long. Cant think of any of our numerous sackings that have come back to haunt us, Poch the only possibility but the bloke was worn out.
Yeah let's see, by the way I'm not sold on Johnson yet but he is contributing the most out of our attackers at the moment and is gradually improving, Son playing in this role over Richie but both players have flaws and plusses so it's s much of a muchness plus Richy has been injured as well, actually Werner proved to be a decent stop gap because since Perisic and Solomon were injured we would have had to rely on Gil.
But you mention the forwards and this is exactly where we need to improve next season so let's see.
I think Arteta got a massive amount of luck to turn it around. And I wouldn’t rely on luck to see the good things happen at Tottenham.
The issue for me is that if Ange needs players with more technique than our present forwards, I mean in tight spaces etc, then he should wait until he has them before playing as if he has them.
Remember the playing relationship between Beckham and Owen? Well you can play that way if you have those (sort of) players, I doubt managers would have played that way with different players.
Surely it's about making the most of what players you have in the team.
Fella, the same things were labelled at other successful managers about adapting their systems and playing to their current players strengths and they didn't change their systems, they did change their players though hence why we just gotta wait.
It won't happen but it we finished 4th it means we'd most probably end up giving Woolwich the league so they'll probably moan at him for that as well lol
Finishing 5th will make this fanbase happy especially if they don't win and providing we beat Burnley and Sheffield, them potentially winning it is causing our fans anxiety which is part of the reason so many want him gone not that many of them will admit it.
It will be different in here once 38 games are player (providing the above scenario happens)
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We won’t lmao.
What happens if we finish 6th? More feasible than 4th. Will the cultists still want to keep him on or will they do a complete about face?
I assume not. So you can probably guess the answer to your question.
The problem people seem to have with waiting is, as time has gone on the performances have worsened.
We don't have a single player in midfield or attack that is playing well now. The defence is playing better than the rest of the team but we're still shipping goals.
There are no cultists, on either side, so kindly avoid that unhelpful rhetoric please mate.
There are supporters who (rightly in my view) want Ange to have longer than one season, and there are supporters who (rightly in others views) want him gone now.
That's it.
Yeah mate, we are on a downward trend, it's concerning but let's get to the Summer shall we, we are limping over the line but let's get over the line and assess where we are.
For the record I think if we're don't get top 4 next season he will be gone, only if he's managed to bag the Carabao and were on for the FA and Europa he'll survive but there needs to be legit progress next season and our board want that CL money.
are you joking?
there are muppets posting on here that make statements - about shit they have no comprehension about, who will never back down from their cockeyed opinions, no matter what the evidence presented to them shows.
we're 5th in the table and are struggling to score and the villagers are out with their pitchforks and burning torches - and they want a hangin'!
Ange made the mistake of producing a winning team at the start of the season, and then failing to win the league outright off the back of it.
Now the retards want him dead.
I actually agree. The use of cultists was to reflect the use of doomers. That post was to illustrate the ridiculousness of the original post.
People aren’t changing their opinions in the next few games.