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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Cranston said:
I’m in two minds with Ange.

There’s obviously the perfectly reasonable opinion that we are bringing in young players, building for the future and, as fans, we should take the same approach and expect nothing more than iterative improvement. Fine. Makes sense.

But then I can’t shake his behaviour at the end of the season, how he called out the fans with the City game and expressed confusion at the idea we wouldn’t want to win a game, even if it meant the Scum lifting the title. He had this combative arrogance that really fucking grated. And, as fans, if we return the compliment, why shouldn’t we expect success?

In short, I’m actually fine with just seeing a team developing. But he really needs to work on how he talks about himself. It sometimes feels like he thinks he’s doing us a favour.
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My belief is that Ange was playing that to try and get the right idea of the winning every game mentality..

Of course he knew. I fail to believe that he didn't
 
Kekerinho said:
Last season has probably been the most accessible to get top 4 compared to the last few years. I dare to say only Woolwich improved compared to the last couple of seasons, City lost Gundogan in the summer, Haaland was out for a big chunk of the season and didn’t produce the same insane season as the one before it, Liverpool bought some players who weren’t as good as they thought they’d be (and their manager announced he’s leaving before the end of the season), Chelsea who were midtable for like 80% of the season, Man Utd were terrible aswell, Newcastle hit by loads and loads of injuries and Aston Villa who have been pretty consistent since Emery took over, but it’s not like they were some unbeatable side (we even smashed them 4-0 at their stadium).

It remains to be seen if next season it’ll be worse, probably yes because Liverpool and Chelsea have worse managers than last season imo, Aston Villa will have to deal with UCL, Man Utd is unknown… Newcastle will likely be a contender for top 4 but that’s about it.
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Its all relative......City, Liverpool, United, Villa, Newcastle, Woolwich - none had a new manager. We did.
 
BernardMatthews said:
There are a lot of people on here who will insist that Ange’s second season is the “big one”. The one where he wins the league.

There are also a lot of people who were claiming after 10 games and 20 games last season that we were in a title race.

Ange himself has said this season he wants to be challenging for the title.

So not sure when you think we can judge the team? Quarter into the season - as per my statement, halfway, three quarters or only at the end?

I had a discussion with someone on here that we permanently seem to be in transition.
After two pre seasons, one full season of football and 3 transfer windows I’m not sure if Ange has now moved out of transitional territory into a space of expectation in the average fans opinion.

Going by his own mindset I’d expect him to be looking at the team after 10 games and asking questions of himself / the team if indeed he does expect to be challenging for the title after 38 games.

Newcastle, Villa, United and Woolwich.
Good teams to compare yourself to don’t you think???
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I don't see this as 'the big one' but yes 100% I want to be up there challenging the top teams, going far in all the cups.

I think that is realistic
 
I sometimes wish more people on this site took heed of Mark Twain's admonition to "never argue with an idiot, they just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience".
 
Matt1882 said:
We will need to be a lot better this season. It's likely Newcastle, Chelsea and United will improve IMO. Maybe not United.
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Nothing tells me Newcastle will be better. Chelsea maybe and Utd will continue to be up and down. Liverpool will be in transition and it could be a mixed season for them. Villa will find it hard to stay with the big boys. We will be better and 3rd is the minimum for me. Any sort of improvement pretty much takes us to third minimum.
 
Cranston said:
I’m in two minds with Ange.

There’s obviously the perfectly reasonable opinion that we are bringing in young players, building for the future and, as fans, we should take the same approach and expect nothing more than iterative improvement. Fine. Makes sense.

But then I can’t shake his behaviour at the end of the season, how he called out the fans with the City game and expressed confusion at the idea we wouldn’t want to win a game, even if it meant the Scum lifting the title. He had this combative arrogance that really fucking grated. And, as fans, if we return the compliment, why shouldn’t we expect success?

In short, I’m actually fine with just seeing a team developing. But he really needs to work on how he talks about himself. It sometimes feels like he thinks he’s doing us a favour.
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Whilst I agree with the second half, a youth project is not for this guy.

He needs proper quality, technical players that can hack the prem.

Unless this window takes a hard turn, he won't be here long.

We do not have the squad he needs to run his style of football across all comps + injuries and fatigue and come out the other end showing armpits.

Just can't see it.
 
nicoclaesen said:
Nothing tells me Newcastle will be better. Chelsea maybe and Utd will continue to be up and down. Liverpool will be in transition and it could be a mixed season for them. Villa will find it hard to stay with the big boys. We will be better and 3rd is the minimum for me. Any sort of improvement pretty much takes us to third minimum.
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Nothing other than the fact they were missing most of their team for most of last season?
If our fans can carry on blaming our dip in form in injuries, then the same logic applies to Newcastle and even United.
At one point even Chelsea were missing in excess of 10 first team players despite having about 300 players on the payroll.

I'd say those three had worse problems with injuries than we did. Newcastle won't have Europe next season, either, will they?
 
BernardMatthews said:
There are a lot of people on here who will insist that Ange’s second season is the “big one”. The one where he wins the league.

There are also a lot of people who were claiming after 10 games and 20 games last season that we were in a title race.

Ange himself has said this season he wants to be challenging for the title.

So not sure when you think we can judge the team? Quarter into the season - as per my statement, halfway, three quarters or only at the end?

I had a discussion with someone on here that we permanently seem to be in transition.
After two pre seasons, one full season of football and 3 transfer windows I’m not sure if Ange has now moved out of transitional territory into a space of expectation in the average fans opinion.

Going by his own mindset I’d expect him to be looking at the team after 10 games and asking questions of himself / the team if indeed he does expect to be challenging for the title after 38 games.

Newcastle, Villa, United and Woolwich.
Good teams to compare yourself to don’t you think???
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That's an interesting way of looking at it. Those four teams and Spurs will be competing for 4th, unless the wheels fall off for Man City, Woolrich, and Liverpool. Did you mean to leave out Chelsea? I would think they would be in the 2nd group with Spurs and those other four teams.
 
BernardMatthews said:
There are a lot of people on here who will insist that Ange’s second season is the “big one”. The one where he wins the league.

There are also a lot of people who were claiming after 10 games and 20 games last season that we were in a title race.

Ange himself has said this season he wants to be challenging for the title.

So not sure when you think we can judge the team? Quarter into the season - as per my statement, halfway, three quarters or only at the end?

I had a discussion with someone on here that we permanently seem to be in transition.
After two pre seasons, one full season of football and 3 transfer windows I’m not sure if Ange has now moved out of transitional territory into a space of expectation in the average fans opinion.

Going by his own mindset I’d expect him to be looking at the team after 10 games and asking questions of himself / the team if indeed he does expect to be challenging for the title after 38 games.

Newcastle, Villa, United and Woolwich.
Good teams to compare yourself to don’t you think???
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As long as the team is mathematically in the title race and still in at least one cup/Euro competition I will be reserving judgement.

The goal every season should be winning the biggest trophies. Ange is 100% right about that. If we look at the recruitment and squad make up with Sarr, Udogie, Bergvall, Gray, VDV, Johnson, it's pretty clear we shouldn't be expecting the peak levels of this squad this season and we are at the start of the cycle but that doesn't mean we should be giving out a free pass from challenging for titles. Ange has said that too.


A trophy is the minimum requirement of this club every season. Anything less should be considered a failure. Not every failure means that we should sack our Manager/DOF/Scouts etc but we need to call it what it is.
 
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