Fan Q&A is Monday night. He'll be at that and if he is spiky with fans he could have problems. He's no longer the jovial chap though and moaning at the fans here again.
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Fan Q&A is Monday night. He'll be at that and if he is spiky with fans he could have problems. He's no longer the jovial chap though and moaning at the fans here again.
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Posted this in the ENIC thread yesterday
Last 10 games of Poch's first season and first 4 games of Poch's second - 17 points
Last 10 games of Ange's first season and first 4 games of Ange's second - 17 points
Poch
lost to United x2, Stoke, Villa, City -
drew with Burnley, Southampton, Stoke, Leicester, Everton
Beat Leicester, Newcastle, Hull, Everton
Ange
lost to Newcaste x2 , Woolwich x 2, Chelsea, City, Liverpool
Drew with West Ham, Leciester
Beat Luton, Forest, Burnley, Sheff United, Everton
We stuck with Poch and we were right to.
Ange has to prove whether its right to stick with him, but if you are comparing the situations then the scenario above is like for like rather than comparing Poch after 5 years at the club
and we hadnt won away from home for 12 months
He'd had enough battling against the Levy sized tide too I think.
For me if we are at something like 18th through 10 league games or 15th or so at the halfway point, I’d not disagree with the sacking as much as I do now.
I made those numbers up but something along those lines.
It’s basically impossible to get relegated as a big club these days. All it takes is 2 or 3 consecutive wins and you’re clear. Look at how bad chelsea was 2 seasons ago and they really weren’t that close to relegation. I highly doubt end up that bad.
A sacking basically wastes the whole season. We will either have a limited number of candidates to choose from or end up with Ryan Mason again in a year that is a hugely valuable developmental year for a lot of these players.
It is not a guarantee that Ange fails. Maybe it’s more than likely. We need to take that chance that he will succeed.
If Levy went for Southgate I think he'd need 24/7 security.
Some people will still be clinging on by the time he's sacked. After he's gone, they'll either follow him to his next club as they're not Spurs fans, or they'll spend the next year or 2 bemoaning how he got sacked despite being great.
Even though there's nothing to prove he's great at all other than possession. Mate.
I wasn't happy with Poch in his first season, and even at the start of the 2nd.
But it was never as pointless as this shit.
Never.
Then again, you could argue he had a young Kane to bale (see what I did there) him out.
Fair enough and ta for the honest answer but i think its unrealistic. Any big club that has lost 9 from from 14 or is hovering around the bottom 5 at any point is going to sack the manager.
I wouldnt say it writes the season off at all. Ramos won us a league cup after replacing Jol, Redknapp got us to a league cup final after Ramos, Conte got us top 4. Others like Jol and Redknapp again started to set up and lay the groundwork for their teams for the following season.
I do agree on the current available cadidates but its up to Levy to act like the chairman of a big club for once and if that means paying £15m+ compo for another manager in work then so be it.
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I'm not sure that's moaning at fans though. It's just being clear and direct in saying that he won't be influenced by popular opinion.
Which is absolutely 100% the right approach. He should live and die by his own decisions.
His answer seems pretty good to me.
Sure the first sentence is a bit snarky but also funny. What kind of stupid question is it to ask that the fans disagreed with the sub. Bergvall hasn’t played a full 90 all season. Perhaps he wants him for brentford. Ange has access to so much more fitness information than we do and I don’t think he’s flawless (I didn’t love Werner staying on) but I trust him more than a crowd with pitchforks.
I feel many quality posters are only looking at the negatives because they don’t like him. He calmly explained the decision after the first response. Did you listen that far?
I have never said I dont like him. He's clearly rattled though, probably had enough with the stupid questions, but I dont think he needs to answer sarcastically every time. He is just playing into their hands.
Maybe not for you - but I have read back posts from that period - it was fucking toxic - people calling for him to go, calling him a twat, fraud, shit. He got boo'd off the pitch more than once in his first season - lost twice to Stoke, finished with less points, less goals scored, and nearly as many goals conceded in a much less competitive league.
Lots of similarities in terms of their first year and change.
I'm not predicting that Ange will turn it around, but the comparison is valid for sure.
At what point should levy be sticking up for Ange and saying he will give him time barring a disaster? It would shut up the media. Instead the media is just piling on.
Odds dropping from 20/1 to 5/1 that he will be the first manager sacked based on just last night is ridiculous. Then again, maybe the oddsmakers are just drawing in the suckers, knowing it’s very unlikely and free money.
Odds dropping from 20/1 to 5/1 that he will be the first manager sacked based on just last night is ridiculous. Then again, maybe the oddsmakers are just drawing in the suckers, knowing it’s very unlikely and free money.
yep...Potter and Rodgers, exactly why im not entertaining sacking of a manager so soon
Why should Postecoglou be give time and how much is or would be considered reasonable?
I am mo fan for knee--jerking but our London Derby record is a shocker. Our performances away from home at the biggest teams doesn't inspire and we look unorganised.
Levy need say nothing because if we suddenly win games then it's an irrelevance.
Our resources should not need to scrape a win against Coventry, should beat a Leicester, and not concede goals as easily.
I'm less worried about that side of things than if we can currently turn good performances (excluding last night obviously) into results in the short term, and especially against other top 6 sides.
He's always been that way with the media after matches. He was last week with the female interviewer post-Woolwich. But overall he plays the game well, and can keep them/bring them back on side by being jovial in press conferences and giving them good material like he did this week with the Brendan Johnson stuff.
I also think he'll bring his A-game to the fan Q&A thing coming up. He's no idiot.
Having said that, the first smattering of boos last night isn't a good sign for him, because as others have said, once a home crowd turns it's very difficult for any manager to recover from. The Brentford game is starting to feel like an important one.
Who would both do better (in my opinion)than Postecoglou. On Rodgers, no doubt at all.
Poch was in his early 40 when he came here so was given time. Ange is 60 managers that age rarely adapt
How many times is someone like yourself going to say “it’s just 5 matches” when every single person you are debating with is basing it on the last 30 or so matches of Ange’s 40ish game tenure with us.
Are you actually reading what ppl are writing?
I hope we win more than normal. I just cant face being in there and it being a bad atmosphere.
If I was a betting man I would say that anybody who doesn't have at least some doubts about him at this point likely isn't going to turn on him, regardless of results.