True. I think CL teams not dropping down into the knockout stages has made EL more winnable.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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I mean wtf is it that we have to rest players to save them for the likes of bodo? If we had a decent system and tactics any 11 we put out should be good enough. I’m sure oddbert cost more than bodo team. It’s like we were scared of them and could only beat them by playing our so called best 11. The way some go on about it , its like we were playing PSG in the semi.
O we have sample data size of two seasons now and even Stevie wonder would see the trend. Let’s not give him the summer transfer window and first 3 months of next season. It would be wasted money and season. Just get someone in now and players they want. Anyways Ange only stays average of two seasons. The thing is rare occasions you still a good few to avoid relegation. I recall wolves always have top teams a good game but would still be bottom half or struggle. If your happy with that fine bcos under Ange that’s all you can hope for that it clicks every now and then.
Sorry, but really disagree with this general consensus. This season we had the likes of Lazio, Roma, Frankfurt, Lyon, Rangers, Olympiacos, Ajax, Galatasaray, Porto. These are common CL participants. Even Besiktas, Salvia Praha, Qarabag, Dynamo Kyiv, Fernebahce are teams more often than not appear in CL previously. They are also probably the teams dropped down to the Europa based on precious format. Not like it's always Juventus, PSG, Inter, RM dropped down to play Europa, making it sooo difficult after group stages.
I would said luck plays more of a part in this new format during the draw which will even out itself, but the difficulty hasn't been lower. The new format has introduced more games and more excitement IMO. We were lucky in our match ups, but that really didn't diminish the whole tournament difficulty.
We should really give more credits to ourselves and the squad in reaching the final and don't let external narratives keep forming to undermine our run. If it's other teams of the big 6 at our position, probably nobody would even think it's the new format allowing them to be in the final. It will always be how fantastic they are.
Like you thrive when trolling people as you admitted? Wanker.
Changed your mind on Ange again have you? 5 minutes ago you told everyone you were wrong and he’s shit. Now you want to be his best mate again because he won a couple of Europa league games.
More flip flops than a beach party. I at least can respect the posters who have stuck to their guns. The worms who change their mind based on the way the wind blows and then have the audacity to preach to other people should be embarrassed.
fucking mirror
did a poll without including Ange
Who is the Premier League manager of the season?
Arne Slot
Nuno Espirito Santo
Eddie Howe
Enzo Maresca
Unai Emery
Andoni Iraola
Thomas Frank
Marco Silva
Oliver Glasner
Vitor Pereira
Who cares?
They are CL cannon fodder. You are wrong. Objectively. Good teams dropped in to Europa previously. Sevilla won it numerous times doing this. Sides not quite good enough for the CL but good enough for Europa. Qarabag? Let’s not embarrass ourselves.
It has and it did. Some absolutely terrible sides have done well in this EL. Bodo are dire. United are a shitshow and knocked out several of the on paper so called strong sides. This is a tournament Rangers can reach the final in and be a shootout away from winning. Let that sink in.
They would. Everyone fucking laughed at United’s piss easy run to winning the EL years ago. It doesn’t really matter in any practical sense as the trophy has the same value and nobody long term will remember it or care, but it’s definitely weak and there’s little to no point arguing otherwise.
I find it easy to say ‘fuck me we’ve been lucky’ but also not really care that we’ve been lucky. It was the same with England’s runs to a final. If you get there it never really actually matters.
A conundrum of a coach. A pity but there you go..
There's no conundrum. He is not very good. Not very good coaches have respectable cup records all of the time because cup football is subject to a huge deal of luck, especially competitions like the Europa League which is hugely subjected to "does this team care about this a lot/do they have much to play for in the league?" and if the answer is no, teams generally progress well in it.
What we have done is essentially fall back on a relatively pragmatic/practical style to win a few games that under any normal circumstances would be considered a walkover. Over 180 minutes I don't think I saw a single Bodo player show anything resembling elite level talent. And by that I mean being a premier league quality footballer. Even AZ had a few who showed this.
Bodo aren’t about individual quality, they are about a team that has played the same system for years and players who come together to be greater than the sum of their parts.
They’d soundly beaten other teams who did have quality and were also prioritizing the EL over their domestic leagues in Norway but we were the only team to stop them scoring at home in a calendar year.
If it was easy to win in Bodo because they don’t have individual quality then more teams would have done it over the years but they haven’t.
They are shite. Their record is so impressive on paper until you delve in to the actual teams they've played and their circumstances. Usually they do it when teams are distracted and take them for granted or when its the first leg and they have a bit of momentum and its freezing weather. Cunts lost to Qarabag at home in this same league competition, they've played like 5 games of their league season or whatever and the weather is mild.
It is easy. They are so championship it hurts. They can beat teams at home under specific circumstances but its a massively overhyped factor and I said this prior to the second game. Keep focus and don't give away anything stupid first 15 and they have zero quality to do anything beyond that. Fucking trying to hype up the challenge of defeating a team with a wage budget that make Wrexham look like trillionaires.
Big teams lose to Bodo for the same reason we lost to Mura that one time. They aren't focused on the EL and Bodo treat it as their cup final. Well we treated these two games as our cup final too.
If Lazio beat Bodo and we got past them in the semi final then half of these desperate narratives wouldn't even have existed.
Imagine we swap sides with United and the final is still between us two, you can bet everyone will still say United has their winning experience to thank for to get past these tricky ties.
Brother it's done. All the turn coats and their revolving door weakness will not save him. The blokes gone. Now it's about wether we get a trophy as the door hits him in the ass on the way out. They will not make the Ten Hag error they know he's not up to it.
Best point made on this morning's talkshow....so far.
Mate I honestly don't think so. The shit the club is putting out there atm makes me think it is behind him entirely. If he wins it he will ride a wave, the people who have always just been waiting for a good run to get fully behind him again will be ultra vocal and he'll stay. Some people already on this forum, based on winning vs a Norwegian team, have got fully behind Ange again.
It's utterly crazy and illogical and I thought it impossible based on the insane underperformance vs our actual peers this season but our fans might actually make sure he stays on because we've beaten some dross in Europe. Nevermind what has happened when up against English sides with proper budgets.
I want to win the cup but I am terrified of yet another depressing, shite season with a coach who is not of premier league calibre but will be even more obnoxious and parade a EL trophy weekly in press conferences as if he won the world cup and we should bow at his feet.
Yeah, cos we won loads of trophies in the last 40 years. Where was this opinion the last 5 years during all the debates about finishing 17th and winning a trophy is better than finishing 4th?
Firstly, I didn't break down my comment. That want a deliberate ploy but early morning laziness.
However what I meant specifically on this occasion is that Postecoglou is very good in-between games and at press conferences, with much of what he says being very much on-point.
So, the conundrums is how he talks with such clarity and at times humour, and yet fails to translate that on the pitch, or to ensure pragmatism on a weekly basis.
Either way, I'm very clear on what I think needs to occur at the end of the season.