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Management Ange Postecoglou

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You need top players for Ange ball, see how Flick has Barca playing for example...that's why it won't work at this club because this club won't get him the players he needs to succeed.

I still want a new coach next season and it's mainly for that reason.
This club has got him players he wanted Johnson, Solanke, Turbo , Tel etc. Thete were far better options to spend that money. One only has to look at Brighton.
You need top players for Ange ball, see how Flick has Barca playing for example...that's why it won't work at this club because this club won't get him the players he needs to succeed.

I still want a new coach next season and it's mainly for that reason.
This club hit him players he wanted like Johnson, Turbo twice, Tel who he personally called and said he wants him next year, Solanke, etc. just look at Brighton ,wolves,etc and the players we’d now like. The money has been wasted and now most seem to want to pay £50/£60M for Tel. Who is no better than Moore. Why not just go and get eze or the Brentford lad!
 
It’s a strange situation to be in.

Will we sack him if he brings us glory? Even for Levy,that would be harsh.

Will he walk if he wins and struts out the place saying I told you so? This is also a big possibility because he’s clever enough to know that his stock would be high. He won’t change how we play. We won’t suddenly turn into the pragmatic Tottenham we saw in Bodo and Frankfurt in the league.

Will he want a crack at champions league if we win the Europa? 100% he will and for me this is the likely outcome and come October if he doesn’t change then it will be curtains.

If we lose he’s gone no matter what anyone thinks.

My feelings on it are that we can’t be where we are in the league. It’s embarrassing and our club should never be in that position. For that I think it’s better that he does go but Ange could give the majority of us our best night supporting this club in 12 days time.

We are one game away from the most disastrous season in about 50 years or a glory night we’ll talk about till we die.

Football is nuts.
Agree with most of your post. My worry is if he stays the type of players he seems to like are shite. Plus all our academy players may as well leave this guy ain’t giving them a chance . As in a real chance like Tel has been given or Wilson.
 

Dan Kilpatrick now unsure on Ange Postecoglou’s future​

The journalist says he was almost certain Postecoglou was headed for the sack before the Bodo/Glimt game.

However, now the journalist isn’t so sure that Postecoglou will go, claiming that the feeling around the club would be so positive after a Europa League win that it wouldn’t feel right to sack the manager at that point.

“Before the game, I would have said for sure, I think, you know, either way, my feeling is that he’s going to go at the end of the season. And it’s kind of a case of almost like semantics, is he fired having lost the semi-final final, or is it kind of a mutual thing? You know, he walks away having fulfilled his promise to win a trophy in the second season with a kind of thank you and pat on the back from the club,” Kilpatrick said.

“I’m suddenly feeling, you know, not so sure, because it would just be so momentous, you know, in Ange’s words, it would be massive to win this competition, I think. And, you know, there would be an open top bus parade, you know, down the A10 or whatever, you know, down the Tottenham High Road. And the vibes would be so good.

“And, you know, so much about Postecoglou’s tenure has just kind of been based on vibes, I think. And it would, from there, it would just feel, you know, if he wanted to stay, and, you know, he was kind of saying that publicly from a position of strength, it would, you know, it would feel quite jarring. And it would be a big thing for the club to say, ‘actually, we’re going to get rid of the manager who delivered the first European trophy in 41 years and a first trophy in 17 years.’

“So it’s really hard to call. You know, probably my feeling is that if he did kind of walk away on his terms, you know, it was a kind of mutual thing with a big bonus for winning the Europa League and the kind of payoff, you know, forever kind of immortalized as one of Spurs. I mean, let’s face it, one of Spurs’ best managers of the modern era, as he would be if he wins this competition.

“Then I think that, you know, that would be probably the best thing for everyone. Obviously, it depends who succeeds him. But I could see that being a kind of win for all parties, you know, and would then be a very attractive proposition to maybe go out and get another top job somewhere in Europe.

“And Spurs could perhaps move on to a manager who’s just kind of better suited to, you know, managing full competitions and, you know, keeping them punching in the Premier League. So yeah, I think that would be the best case, but I just don’t know now. I feel less certain that it could be his last season.”
 

Dan Kilpatrick now unsure on Ange Postecoglou’s future​

The journalist says he was almost certain Postecoglou was headed for the sack before the Bodo/Glimt game.

However, now the journalist isn’t so sure that Postecoglou will go, claiming that the feeling around the club would be so positive after a Europa League win that it wouldn’t feel right to sack the manager at that point.

“Before the game, I would have said for sure, I think, you know, either way, my feeling is that he’s going to go at the end of the season. And it’s kind of a case of almost like semantics, is he fired having lost the semi-final final, or is it kind of a mutual thing? You know, he walks away having fulfilled his promise to win a trophy in the second season with a kind of thank you and pat on the back from the club,” Kilpatrick said.

“I’m suddenly feeling, you know, not so sure, because it would just be so momentous, you know, in Ange’s words, it would be massive to win this competition, I think. And, you know, there would be an open top bus parade, you know, down the A10 or whatever, you know, down the Tottenham High Road. And the vibes would be so good.

“And, you know, so much about Postecoglou’s tenure has just kind of been based on vibes, I think. And it would, from there, it would just feel, you know, if he wanted to stay, and, you know, he was kind of saying that publicly from a position of strength, it would, you know, it would feel quite jarring. And it would be a big thing for the club to say, ‘actually, we’re going to get rid of the manager who delivered the first European trophy in 41 years and a first trophy in 17 years.’

“So it’s really hard to call. You know, probably my feeling is that if he did kind of walk away on his terms, you know, it was a kind of mutual thing with a big bonus for winning the Europa League and the kind of payoff, you know, forever kind of immortalized as one of Spurs. I mean, let’s face it, one of Spurs’ best managers of the modern era, as he would be if he wins this competition.

“Then I think that, you know, that would be probably the best thing for everyone. Obviously, it depends who succeeds him. But I could see that being a kind of win for all parties, you know, and would then be a very attractive proposition to maybe go out and get another top job somewhere in Europe.

“And Spurs could perhaps move on to a manager who’s just kind of better suited to, you know, managing full competitions and, you know, keeping them punching in the Premier League. So yeah, I think that would be the best case, but I just don’t know now. I feel less certain that it could be his last season.”
Totally based on his feels and nothing else, which is fitting.
 
Di Zerbi's Brighton teams were fun to watch. They played out from the back, but they got forward quicker. Once on the attack they were more clever about the ball to players in the box. Also, they weren't as vulnerable defensively when they turned the ball over. The biggest knock on him is that his system didn't play as well in the second season, which is the same problem with Postecoglou. I doubt Di Zerbi would be the pick, mostly because he seems happy where he's at. That, and somehow I think they might rationalize keeping Postecoglou going into next season.
Pretty sure De Zerbi will leave Marseille in the summer & go back to Italy.
 
It’s funny, because the Ange fanboys love to play their games, point and laugh and have their moment in the sun.

But the reality is that our league campaign has been shocking to the point we can barely pick up points against the relegation clubs because our play is so disjointed, we’ve picked up 7 points from our last 15 games, which is relegation form, and a piss easy EL run does little to papers over the cracks of what is a massive decline as a club that has gone on for nearly a year now and the bar just keeps sinking lower and lower with no signs of improvement to our play and we are well past overtime.

So for the Ange fanboys its all fun and games. They’ll be gone as soon as Ange is sacked. But for the real fans you’re looking at a relegation battle next season if Ange is still here. With an aging Son. A romero that doesnt want to be here. A poor goalkeeper. An average squad. And bullshit tactics that get us turned over by the likes of wolves every week.

However thankfully he will be gone so hopefully we will still have a season by Christmas and we wont become the new Everton.
 
This club has got him players he wanted Johnson, Solanke, Turbo , Tel etc. Thete were far better options to spend that money. One only has to look at Brighton.

This club hit him players he wanted like Johnson, Turbo twice, Tel who he personally called and said he wants him next year, Solanke, etc. just look at Brighton ,wolves,etc and the players we’d now like. The money has been wasted and now most seem to want to pay £50/£60M for Tel. Who is no better than Moore. Why not just go and get eze or the Brentford lad!

Ok but this doesn't really have any correlation to my point does it?
 
You say freak season but same thing happened last season. Plus we added to the squad with players he wanted. For example he must have said yes to turbo and look what’s happened to him. No where yo be seen but still pocketing £165k / wk.
Ange has got it wrong, probably more than he's got it right, but I think we are - again - seeing glimpses of something better to come. And, on the few occasions it has clicked, we can beat any team out there.

The players seem to be well onboard still, and we may end up with a major trophy in the last chapter of this season. It will be extremely harsh to kick him out in that case. That said, I think there is a risk we part ways either way in a mutual understanding.

Just so tired of changing and chopping all the time, and are willing to see if he can turn it around. We can't keep struggling as a bottom side in next PL season though, so if the results doesn't improve he will need to go
 
Ange has got it wrong, probably more than he's got it right, but I think we are - again - seeing glimpses of something better to come. And, on the few occasions it has clicked, we can beat any team out there.

The players seem to be well onboard still, and we may end up with a major trophy in the last chapter of this season. It will be extremely harsh to kick him out in that case. That said, I think there is a risk we part ways either way in a mutual understanding.

Just so tired of changing and chopping all the time, and are willing to see if he can turn it around. We can't keep struggling as a bottom side in next PL season though, so if the results doesn't improve he will need to go
Next time you feel tired wake yourself up by checking the PL table
 

Dan Kilpatrick now unsure on Ange Postecoglou’s future​

The journalist says he was almost certain Postecoglou was headed for the sack before the Bodo/Glimt game.

However, now the journalist isn’t so sure that Postecoglou will go, claiming that the feeling around the club would be so positive after a Europa League win that it wouldn’t feel right to sack the manager at that point.

“Before the game, I would have said for sure, I think, you know, either way, my feeling is that he’s going to go at the end of the season. And it’s kind of a case of almost like semantics, is he fired having lost the semi-final final, or is it kind of a mutual thing? You know, he walks away having fulfilled his promise to win a trophy in the second season with a kind of thank you and pat on the back from the club,” Kilpatrick said.

“I’m suddenly feeling, you know, not so sure, because it would just be so momentous, you know, in Ange’s words, it would be massive to win this competition, I think. And, you know, there would be an open top bus parade, you know, down the A10 or whatever, you know, down the Tottenham High Road. And the vibes would be so good.

“And, you know, so much about Postecoglou’s tenure has just kind of been based on vibes, I think. And it would, from there, it would just feel, you know, if he wanted to stay, and, you know, he was kind of saying that publicly from a position of strength, it would, you know, it would feel quite jarring. And it would be a big thing for the club to say, ‘actually, we’re going to get rid of the manager who delivered the first European trophy in 41 years and a first trophy in 17 years.’

“So it’s really hard to call. You know, probably my feeling is that if he did kind of walk away on his terms, you know, it was a kind of mutual thing with a big bonus for winning the Europa League and the kind of payoff, you know, forever kind of immortalized as one of Spurs. I mean, let’s face it, one of Spurs’ best managers of the modern era, as he would be if he wins this competition.

“Then I think that, you know, that would be probably the best thing for everyone. Obviously, it depends who succeeds him. But I could see that being a kind of win for all parties, you know, and would then be a very attractive proposition to maybe go out and get another top job somewhere in Europe.

“And Spurs could perhaps move on to a manager who’s just kind of better suited to, you know, managing full competitions and, you know, keeping them punching in the Premier League. So yeah, I think that would be the best case, but I just don’t know now. I feel less certain that it could be his last season.”

Get rid!!!
 
you're misrepresenting what i've said. i'm arguing with the people who are propping up ange and not the 'vast majority' who want to win a trophy while not propping up ange. i want to win a trophy and that's what it will be, a trophy. there's no need to diminish it but there's also no reason to overstate its significance which is what the weekend at ange's folks are doing.

winning this will be great and take some of the sting out of this miserable season and a half under ange but it won't erase it. ange can fuck off into the sun win or lose for what he's done here. he's a disgrace
That's fair. Apologies that I misunderstood what you said.

It's just tiresome for fans of the club hearing the same old crap:

- Ropey league
- Second rate comp
- No decent teams involved
- Top 4 teams wouldn't care about this

All these comments I've read from supposed Spurs fans trying to belittle the achievement of potentially winning our first European trophy in 42 years.

I guarantee if we were sitting 2nd in the league everyone would be frothing over the potential of winning this comp. But because there's an anti-Ange sentiment the achievement is beaten down.

I'm with you on Ange. Well I mean I think he should go. But it's difficult to label the man who (hopefully) wins us that trophy we've been craving, a disgrace.

Out of his depth....yes, naive.....yes. but it's not like he's deliberately tried to sabotage the club, if anything he's defended it to the hilt. If only he was tactically more astute, and had a better coaching team.
 
And if he doesn’t win the trophy? Do you admit you were wrong and that beating some absolute shite meant nothing?

Agendas for fuck sake. Bloke has us 16th. This is so embarrassing. Act like he’s some marginalised victim, the guy has utterly failed.

‘Haters’ - he’s just a football manager doing dreadful. Like many dreadful managers (ten Haag) he’s found a cup route to excuse the league failure. Bodo Glimt is a handy little obstacle.
Surely one game doesn’t define his time at spurs. His overall records is appalling. The numbers just weight too heavily against keeping him.
Also what manager keeps bigging up beating teams like bodo to make out he is some sort of great. We have spent more under Ange than bodo will spend in a 100 years. It’s not like some massive underdog achievement.
 
Because it's about embedding an ethos over several seasons essentially, 'irrespective of circumstance'.

Rome wasn't built in a day, yadda yadda yadda.

Most of the negativity from posters on this and other forums, are people who literally cannot wait any longer, or at least are not prepared to wait and have zero nuance in their thinking about why he is so 'stubborn'... or convicted if you prefer. He hasn't deviated once in his principles, nor in his explanations publicly or in pressers. Nor has he deviated with a depleted squad... because that essentially fucks up the vibe of his philosophy... ie: its fine to be nuanced and adapt, but as soon as the coach is a non-believer in his own philosophy, then no-one in the club is.

If you're the sort of supporter, who wants the same mediocrity served up year after year, and still attached to agricultural ways of thinking, then Ange aint your man. He is a progressive - even idealist, and it takes seasons to embed philosophy (don't think tactics when I say philosophy)... but punters aren't prepared to sit with the discomfort. And that makes sense given Tottenhams history.
Why does it tske seasons. Potter took over from the very pragmatic Hughton and coPolitely changed their style with virtually the same players. He intake two seasons. Same with a host of other managers. Now you’re saying his philosophy could take multiple seasons to implement. Joke!
 
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