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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
You say freak season but same thing happened last season. Plus we added to the squad with players he wanted. For example he must have said yes to turbo and look what’s happened to him. No where yo be seen but still pocketing £165k / wk.
Ange has got it wrong, probably more than he's got it right, but I think we are - again - seeing glimpses of something better to come. And, on the few occasions it has clicked, we can beat any team out there.

The players seem to be well onboard still, and we may end up with a major trophy in the last chapter of this season. It will be extremely harsh to kick him out in that case. That said, I think there is a risk we part ways either way in a mutual understanding.

Just so tired of changing and chopping all the time, and are willing to see if he can turn it around. We can't keep struggling as a bottom side in next PL season though, so if the results doesn't improve he will need to go
 
Ange has got it wrong, probably more than he's got it right, but I think we are - again - seeing glimpses of something better to come. And, on the few occasions it has clicked, we can beat any team out there.

The players seem to be well onboard still, and we may end up with a major trophy in the last chapter of this season. It will be extremely harsh to kick him out in that case. That said, I think there is a risk we part ways either way in a mutual understanding.

Just so tired of changing and chopping all the time, and are willing to see if he can turn it around. We can't keep struggling as a bottom side in next PL season though, so if the results doesn't improve he will need to go
Next time you feel tired wake yourself up by checking the PL table
 

Dan Kilpatrick now unsure on Ange Postecoglou’s future​

The journalist says he was almost certain Postecoglou was headed for the sack before the Bodo/Glimt game.

However, now the journalist isn’t so sure that Postecoglou will go, claiming that the feeling around the club would be so positive after a Europa League win that it wouldn’t feel right to sack the manager at that point.

“Before the game, I would have said for sure, I think, you know, either way, my feeling is that he’s going to go at the end of the season. And it’s kind of a case of almost like semantics, is he fired having lost the semi-final final, or is it kind of a mutual thing? You know, he walks away having fulfilled his promise to win a trophy in the second season with a kind of thank you and pat on the back from the club,” Kilpatrick said.

“I’m suddenly feeling, you know, not so sure, because it would just be so momentous, you know, in Ange’s words, it would be massive to win this competition, I think. And, you know, there would be an open top bus parade, you know, down the A10 or whatever, you know, down the Tottenham High Road. And the vibes would be so good.

“And, you know, so much about Postecoglou’s tenure has just kind of been based on vibes, I think. And it would, from there, it would just feel, you know, if he wanted to stay, and, you know, he was kind of saying that publicly from a position of strength, it would, you know, it would feel quite jarring. And it would be a big thing for the club to say, ‘actually, we’re going to get rid of the manager who delivered the first European trophy in 41 years and a first trophy in 17 years.’

“So it’s really hard to call. You know, probably my feeling is that if he did kind of walk away on his terms, you know, it was a kind of mutual thing with a big bonus for winning the Europa League and the kind of payoff, you know, forever kind of immortalized as one of Spurs. I mean, let’s face it, one of Spurs’ best managers of the modern era, as he would be if he wins this competition.

“Then I think that, you know, that would be probably the best thing for everyone. Obviously, it depends who succeeds him. But I could see that being a kind of win for all parties, you know, and would then be a very attractive proposition to maybe go out and get another top job somewhere in Europe.

“And Spurs could perhaps move on to a manager who’s just kind of better suited to, you know, managing full competitions and, you know, keeping them punching in the Premier League. So yeah, I think that would be the best case, but I just don’t know now. I feel less certain that it could be his last season.”

Get rid!!!
 
you're misrepresenting what i've said. i'm arguing with the people who are propping up ange and not the 'vast majority' who want to win a trophy while not propping up ange. i want to win a trophy and that's what it will be, a trophy. there's no need to diminish it but there's also no reason to overstate its significance which is what the weekend at ange's folks are doing.

winning this will be great and take some of the sting out of this miserable season and a half under ange but it won't erase it. ange can fuck off into the sun win or lose for what he's done here. he's a disgrace
That's fair. Apologies that I misunderstood what you said.

It's just tiresome for fans of the club hearing the same old crap:

- Ropey league
- Second rate comp
- No decent teams involved
- Top 4 teams wouldn't care about this

All these comments I've read from supposed Spurs fans trying to belittle the achievement of potentially winning our first European trophy in 42 years.

I guarantee if we were sitting 2nd in the league everyone would be frothing over the potential of winning this comp. But because there's an anti-Ange sentiment the achievement is beaten down.

I'm with you on Ange. Well I mean I think he should go. But it's difficult to label the man who (hopefully) wins us that trophy we've been craving, a disgrace.

Out of his depth....yes, naive.....yes. but it's not like he's deliberately tried to sabotage the club, if anything he's defended it to the hilt. If only he was tactically more astute, and had a better coaching team.
 
And if he doesn’t win the trophy? Do you admit you were wrong and that beating some absolute shite meant nothing?

Agendas for fuck sake. Bloke has us 16th. This is so embarrassing. Act like he’s some marginalised victim, the guy has utterly failed.

‘Haters’ - he’s just a football manager doing dreadful. Like many dreadful managers (ten Haag) he’s found a cup route to excuse the league failure. Bodo Glimt is a handy little obstacle.
Surely one game doesn’t define his time at spurs. His overall records is appalling. The numbers just weight too heavily against keeping him.
Also what manager keeps bigging up beating teams like bodo to make out he is some sort of great. We have spent more under Ange than bodo will spend in a 100 years. It’s not like some massive underdog achievement.
 
Because it's about embedding an ethos over several seasons essentially, 'irrespective of circumstance'.

Rome wasn't built in a day, yadda yadda yadda.

Most of the negativity from posters on this and other forums, are people who literally cannot wait any longer, or at least are not prepared to wait and have zero nuance in their thinking about why he is so 'stubborn'... or convicted if you prefer. He hasn't deviated once in his principles, nor in his explanations publicly or in pressers. Nor has he deviated with a depleted squad... because that essentially fucks up the vibe of his philosophy... ie: its fine to be nuanced and adapt, but as soon as the coach is a non-believer in his own philosophy, then no-one in the club is.

If you're the sort of supporter, who wants the same mediocrity served up year after year, and still attached to agricultural ways of thinking, then Ange aint your man. He is a progressive - even idealist, and it takes seasons to embed philosophy (don't think tactics when I say philosophy)... but punters aren't prepared to sit with the discomfort. And that makes sense given Tottenhams history.
Why does it tske seasons. Potter took over from the very pragmatic Hughton and coPolitely changed their style with virtually the same players. He intake two seasons. Same with a host of other managers. Now you’re saying his philosophy could take multiple seasons to implement. Joke!
 
That's fair. Apologies that I misunderstood what you said.

It's just tiresome for fans of the club hearing the same old crap:

- Ropey league
- Second rate comp
- No decent teams involved
- Top 4 teams wouldn't care about this

All these comments I've read from supposed Spurs fans trying to belittle the achievement of potentially winning our first European trophy in 42 years.

I guarantee if we were sitting 2nd in the league everyone would be frothing over the potential of winning this comp. But because there's an anti-Ange sentiment the achievement is beaten down.

I'm with you on Ange. Well I mean I think he should go. But it's difficult to label the man who (hopefully) wins us that trophy we've been craving, a disgrace.

Out of his depth....yes, naive.....yes. but it's not like he's deliberately tried to sabotage the club, if anything he's defended it to the hilt. If only he was tactically more astute, and had a better coaching team.

Yup, it's beyond tedious...mind you if you read their posts generally they feel better about themselves when the club lets them down so they can thrive in negativity and misery like a pig in shit.
 
So how is it that Ange has only ever stayed a relatively short time (often about two seasons) at past clubs? How is it that, at this point in his Spurs tenure, Poch was smashing it in the league?

We have momentum in the EL. And Ange does deserve some credit for that - absolutely. It does also throw our abject league performances (and results) into sharp contrast. A good manager gets those 4 and 5* performances out of his players most weeks, in the league, not just in one cup. For me it shows very clearly that the squad is not as bad as some on this board believe, but it needs highly competent coaching, motivation and leadership.
Didn’t poch get us 5th and to league cup final b chavs in his first season!
 
If the cup is won this season, both manager and team can be explained with on̈e word. Contradiction.

The whole season will be just one big contradiction.

Hate Ange or think he is the football messiah he will pop up to prove you either totally right or wrong depending on the day or the week. Nothing with this club, team or any involved with it is clear cut.

Following Spurs is like watching a four hour foriegn film that makes absolutely no sense but offers plenty of A grade tits and arse. Was it worth the time and effort?

Thats the contradiction.
 
So how is it that Ange has only ever stayed a relatively short time (often about two seasons) at past clubs?
I think this is more due to his career progression. He's won at every club and moved on when a good opportunity arises.

How is it that, at this point in his Spurs tenure, Poch was smashing it in the league?
Not solely the reason, but I don't think we can underestimate the Kane effect. We had a generational talent there, there is absolutely no doubt that we wouldn't have reached the level that Poch got us to without him.
 
Ange adapted in the semi. Credit where credit is due. Let's do this. COYS!!

For me the final will be a 5am match on a Thursday morning.. I'm sure the local Spurs fan pub will be open. It's worth a day off work and a few pints for breakfast
 
It is because of multiple reasons:

1. Levy / Lange left the squad short for a season with European football, the summer window was nowhere near ambitious enough.
2. Ange managed the squad terribly in the first 3 months. Overplaying Udogie after he missed most of pre-season recovering from surgery whilst overlooking Spence is probably the best example of how not to do things.
3. An incredible injury crisis. This was not helped by Ange ball's demands on player's hamstrings, but not all down to him either. Some were injuries that were just bad luck. But no team in PL history has dealt with the injuries that we did between Nov and Feb. We were down to 5th and 6th choice CBs at times. The injuries meant that the league was understandably over for us by end of Jan.
4. Not adjusting tactics in the league. The injuries were compunded by Ange not adjusting his tactics and insisted on playing out from the back and a high line with players not suited to it (Dragusin and Davie as a CB pair for example).
5. Focus on EL only. It has been clear that for the last month the club has prioritised the EL and Ange has picked teams to help squad fitness rather than to get results. I am happy with this - as most of you should be (as the debate on forums like this for years supports that we'd rather with a trophy and come 17th than finish 4th).

The key things right now are:
  • Ange has not lost the dressing room.
  • He has overcome his stubbornness and come up with game plans to get the most of his resources (as shown against Frankfurt and Bodø).
  • We are in a European final.
I think you have to add that the oppo in EL has not been great and most of the teams we have played we should be wiping the floor
 
it's been a decade since the rule change rather than a few years. and in ten attempts only mega doped chelsea and jose''s united have won it. notable failures in that time include Arteta's Woolwich, Klopps full strength Liverpool getting knocked out by Atalanta and Poch's prime 2nd placed tottenham getting knocked out by the mighty Gent
It's not an easy competition to win , never has been, never will be
I think youll find it is easier now without the CL teams dropping in. Remember the teams in EL are ones who finished almost mid table in their own leagues. Take PL teams next season we will be going down to 6 placed and below. Teams from the farmers leagues will be even worse. After the final 16 in CL the teams that were knocked out would have all played in EL before. Could have had city , juve , Celtic, Atalanta dropping in. You think we would got as far?
 
Pretty much agree with most of that. With the squad levy has given him then you can’t expect better than say 6-8th. & you are right that we clearly haven’t cared about the league over the last few months. & will do even less so with a final coming up! Same with united as well so I think both teams are really more mid table teams. I doubt either will finish this low again for a very long time.
He was very unfortunate with injuries but didn’t handle them well at all.
He has been less stubborn of late! just a shame it took him so long to realise/compromise. I think ang gets about 7th if we weren’t so unlucky with injuries.
Win the Europa & then it’s levy’s call!
This is not entirely true. Ange said he was happy with the squad at start of season. Most fans wanted EzE, even Brentford striker, Neto type players. We got turbo and probably coz Ange said yeah. He has spent more than any spurs manager. He wanted Tel, Solanke, Johnson , turbo twice amongst many. Not sure who’s behind all these signings but Ange said he has final say. The transfer policy is just one part of the picture. The others re Ange’s coaching abilities have been discussed at length.
 
i'll be much more pleased with backdoor champions league qualification than this trophy. in fact, i'll be over the moon about it. not saying i won't be happy and celebrate the trophy but even winning this just doesn't compare to our finals run back in 2019. maybe i 'just don't get it' but i am in no way feeling the same this year that i did when we were tearing apart the world's elites.
Probably bcos we in the top at the time and had a decent coach and team. A coach who was very likeable.
 
"ange what will a cup do for tottenham?"
"dogs, you like dogs? you look like a boxer. i'll fight for it"

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It proves nothing as Ange would say. Didn’t he come out with some bollocks like that last season about getting top 4. Winning EL, yes it’s a trophy to go in our empty cabinet, but if Ange is consistent with his views on progression and sustained success then it means nothing. Just like winning the caraboa would and finishing 16th.
 
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