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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Tomo said:
It’s frustrating as I can’t figure out the level of the players. It’s pretty apparent that Kane has carried the club for 10 years now, shit performances under multiple managers like Jose and Conte only for Kane to save us time after time. We now don’t have Kane.

So it all on our squad and they are up and down all the time. Maybe it’s an AVB situation and Ange is holding them back so when a Pochettino comes in we can bloom or maybe our squad is just average and like all fans we overrate them.

For the record I live up north now and am surrounded by Liverpool, United and even a few City fans. I always take their pulse to try and avoid delusion that comes from being within your own fan group. The general feeling is that we are at best an average squad of players. Other than Son they hardly rate any of our team. Odd comments like Udogie ain’t bad, but that is about it. We might just be shit.

My own view is this is a talented but by very flakey group.
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We have a bunch of average to above average players I think, but a good manager will make his group of players punch above their weight. How many players did we rate right after AVB was sacked? Because I keep hearing the argument that the team Pochettino had was built before he joined the club.

Bottom line is do you think we have a worse team than the likes of Fulham, Brentford or Bournemouth?
 
JimothyCF14 said:
We should try that Nuno bloke, he seems to be ok...

But seriously I don't even know who we could bring in, especially someone who is available.

Potter looked broken by Chelsea. He might not fancy the media glare of working at a supposed "big" club again, he was happy when there was no pressure on him to do anything other than finish midtable at Brighton.

We've missed the boat on Tuchel.

I suppose Ten Hag is at a loose end.
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Act like a big club

Go and knock on Bournemouths door , pay the compensation and bring Iraola in

Shame the only thing big about this club is the facilities tho
 
SpursRomania said:
We have a bunch of average to above average players I think, but a good manager will make a group of players punch above their weight which is not happening right now. I mean do you think we have a worse team than Fulham, Brentford or Bournemouth?
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No but I don’t they they are trying to dominate games. We are trying to play like a big team and that needs big players.
 
SpursRomania said:
We have a bunch of average to above average players I think, but a good manager will make a group of players punch above their weight which is not happening right now. I mean do you think we have a worse team than Fulham, Brentford or Bournemouth?
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yes the players are not top notch, but a coach should have systems that work with the players
this guy tactics come from the school yard,
 
ElTel said:
What are you trying to say mate:ange-lips::ange-facepalm:
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I'm trying to say we're in the managers thread, after yet another shit performance proving how clueless this clown is and you seem to be implying that our Spanish international full back isn't good because he's only proven in the Portuguese league despite the fact that league shits over every league the clown in charge has ever managed in, hope that clears it up for you
 
£170 I've spent today on the ticket, train, beers and food. Plus another £30 in the club shop. All for what? Postenoclue serving up another stinker. Get the fuck out of my club you clueless turd.
 
bus-conductor said:
Got to say, I’ve been very supportive of Ange because I could see consistent methodology at work, I could see weaknesses improving and the underlying metrics support that strongly.

Last week I was just plain impressed with Palace, who according to their own fans, played their best game of the season. They were outstandingly good, and That can happen.

But this week was a really hot mess imo, that was more like the dark days of last season than anything we’ve seen this season. There was very little of the ethos or tactics that Ange has preached relentlessly, that we have mostly seen this season, and this despite Villa being fucking insipid.

I thought the team selection was inviting the kind of creatively void performance we got first half. In the first 45 minutes we’d not had a single shot on target, had an XG of 0.17, and not even dominated the ball like we usually do (53%). That’s also got to be the fewest passes we’ve completed in a game, and not just second half. In other words not the usual Ange performance markers. That’s also possibly the highest XG we’ve conceded all season. Again, against an abjectly insipid Villa.

I hope today is an outlier, I enjoyed the goals and result, but I didn’t see a coherent methodology. I saw some slightly whacky idea mud balls being flung at the wall and luckily some stuck. We allowed more chances than usual and got away with it. We’ve played much more coherently and not got a result.
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bus-conductor said:
I'm definitely not Ange out, and have very much been on board, generally I think he's working pretty well with a pretty weak hand (for various reasons - age, experience, quality), I've been a vocal defender because what I've seen is coached method and underlying metrics telling me he's getting things pretty right.

What I saw today was a total lack cohesion and creativity for 45 minutes. I saw a pretty insipid Villa have a tone of the ball, make some great chances, and have an XG of 2.49 (higher than ours 2.10), nearly double the XG of our worst game previously all season.

I happily defended Ange when he was being criticised when I thought it was unfair. And I've definitely not piled on during some of the bad results, if I generally like what I see in terms of the coached basics and methodology. And I'm not saying it's all gone to shit from one game now. But I didn't like some of the things I saw today, because I don't believe turning games into incoherent basketball games is a sustainable route to success. I have questioned his selection and subs before (who hasn't) but I definitely didn't agree with the selection today, and I still don't, I thought it was counter intuitive to what the ethos is supposed to be.

I've never criticised him for not having a plan B, don't buy into the whole plan B bullshit, especially if plan B is to open up the game for both teams, relinquish control of the ball and chances. I'm happy for Ange to stick to planA and just keep trying to improve it, and add better players to it.
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bus-conductor said:
Sarr was good today, and Sarr has merits and a role to play in the squad, likewise Maddison and Kulusesvki, merits and roles to play. I'm just not in agreement with the remits as applied sometimes, like today.

I'll row back from my position if circumstances dictate it. Great ball by Kulusevski today for the goal, but he was barely involved apart from that (17 passes in 100 minutes) my issue is absolutely not about "beautiful" it's the opposite, it's about substance and his lack of involvement and ability to disappear from games for long spells - which Maddison doesn't do - whilst Maddison still creates (and his XA has constantly been better than Kulusevski's and still is, as his actual assists 3v2 in 100 less minutes).

It doesn't have to be a Maddison v Kulusevski issue, but if it is, then my choice is Maddison. More productive, more involved (with and without the ball), more conducive to the "method" IMO.

We only just edged Villa for possession today (which is miles under our usual), and that was consistent throughout, and as I said, that was the most chances/XG we'd conceded all season.

Sometimes goals alter perspective.
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So was mullered last week for the above, but turns out it wasn’t a one off.

The stuff I was talking about was all in evidence again today. That score flattered the tactical approach last week, which was frankly a fucking mess. Pedestrian first half again, no one to get hold of the ball in midfield areas and make intelligent or incisive decisions, three midfielders all uncomfortable when pressed.

Then the first sub was fucking nuts. Left us with one midfielder and three CF’s. Waiting until 80 mins to bring in Maddison on Bissouma on pffftt.

Again, I’ve been generally supportive of Ange’s ethos and until a couple of weeks ago he’d definitely improved us at both ends on last season. And I acknowledge he’s working with a pretty meh group of players. But his selections and tactical application and in-game management has been worrying for me for a few weeks now. He/We have regressed.

As last weeks posts show, I’m not a scoreline whiner, I can tolerate losing when the fundamentals and underlying basics look ok, but the signs were there last week and have materialised again this week.

Jimmy G Jimmy G GOAT GOAT Zest Zest JimothyCF14 JimothyCF14 Bill-bao Bob Bill-bao Bob

you all had a good chuckle - as did about 20 people who liked or chuckled with you. Does last week make any more sense now?
 
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