So let’s say Ange is a fraud, ( I don’t agree by the way ) . Do you trust the man who has appointed him and countless other managers who failed to get it right , to get it right at the 17th attempt?
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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Flip it on it's head, I really think Levy right now will not back Ange anymore.
He's had a lot of money on fees spent and it's not paying off.
I thought his press conference yesterday was unbelievably depressing . More or less saying “ what do you expect, we’ve got no squad depth and so many injuries . The players are exhausted “
Yes, we’ve got first teamers Vicario, Romero and VDV out, Bentancur out but available in EL. Plus backup players Richarlison, Odabar and Moore. No more than most teams have out at some stage in the season. And the players are apparently exhausted only one third of the way into the season.Did we forget that we are playing on Thursday nights this season ?
At the start of the season Ange said he was happy with the squad. Most of us were not. We only signed one first teamer plus kids and offloaded a number of squad players at the same time. We didn’t get a difference maker like Eze or Pedro Neto both of who were available .
Now our players are exhausted, yet Porro who is playing almost every match and whose performances have recently been poor is not substituted for a completely fresh Spence. Why ?
And yesterday Maddison was substituted simultaneously with Fulham going down to 10 men. Does anybody really think that was a good move ?
As for the team being inconsistent we have played 5 games since Villa and 4 of those performances have been poor, 3 of them awful. Consistently bad rather than inconsistent. Great win against City just hiding the dross.
I have no confidence in Ange’s decision making, his tactical formations, team selections, substitutions or ability to motivate. Apart from that he’s doing great….
Yes, we’ve got first teamers Vicario, Romero and VDV out, Bentancur out but available in EL. Plus backup players Richarlison, Odabar and Moore. No more than most teams have out at some stage in the season. And the players are apparently exhausted only one third of the way into the season.Did we forget that we are playing on Thursday nights this season ?
At the start of the season Ange said he was happy with the squad. Most of us were not. We only signed one first teamer plus kids and offloaded a number of squad players at the same time. We didn’t get a difference maker like Eze or Pedro Neto both of who were available .
Now our players are exhausted, yet Porro who is playing almost every match and whose performances have recently been poor is not substituted for a completely fresh Spence. Why ?
And yesterday Maddison was substituted simultaneously with Fulham going down to 10 men. Does anybody really think that was a good move ?
As for the team being inconsistent we have played 5 games since Villa and 4 of those performances have been poor, 3 of them awful. Consistently bad rather than inconsistent. Great win against City just hiding the dross.
I have no confidence in Ange’s decision making, his tactical formations, team selections, substitutions or ability to motivate. Apart from that he’s doing great….
Yeah maybe.
I will say that I was surprised by the volume of the boos at the final whistle yesterday. I think the DJ was too as the music didnt come on quick enough to drown them out like when we lose. It just feels like the timing os off. The Christmas period is so busy to fire and hire another manager that I cant see it, especially if that manager is in another job (and I think he is because we will go for McKenna or Iriola). He might be saved by that. I just dont trust Levy to get it correct and does it really matter anyway?
A great deal of that money has been on punts for the future , I doubt Ange was “ give me prospects not the finished article”
Solanke was the only first team purchase this summer , a purchase that was one whole year after we sold our best player for appreciably more .
Well I can't argue too much against that, but all I know is I want this charlatan gone!
The mind boggles. Alright mate. You think I'm an idiot so lets just leave it at that. We'll see who looks stupid come May. Maybe it'll be me. But lets wait and see
Agreed that he has given him more leeway than most managers and i doubt he wants to sack him this season let alone before January. But if we lose to Bournemouth and Chelsea we'll likely be 13th, even if he survives that he'd have to win at Southampton as its then Liverpool and then Forest away. You never know but i dont see how he survives being 13th/14th around Christmas. Any big club in that position nearly half way through a season sacks their manager. He's going to have to get some big results in the next 5.
He got it right, entirely by accident with Jol, Redknapp and Poch. Each one of those coaches pushed us on a bit.
Jol took us from bottom half dross to regulars in the top 4 pushing the top 4 like nobody else. Redknapp took us into the top 4, and could have gone higher with a little backing. Poch took us to 2 title pushes and a CL final.
No coach is forever. Look at Pep...
We should, absolutely, keep trying until the next one comes and pushes us along a bit further again, not waste another year,
Fair comment, but with better players....
Nicely done.
First blame people for picking suitable results, but if someone brings out long term (extending to more than full season) then it is comfortably ignored
? Sure, I agree that Benta, Vic and Romero injuries are not down to Ange. But so what? Three injuries is absolutely normal state of affairs for almost all managers. Something one has to cope with. Odobert suffered setback from hamstring injury that is 101 Ange-style, look what pressure must VDV hammies handle in such line. And Richie has never been and will never be able to consistently handle Ange football. Just not suited to it physically...
AP is a man motivator, a "Bravado-ist". He not a tactician, he's not a hands on coach, he just seems to rely on his efforts to instill self-belief in players with his defiant words/phrases. At this level that's far too basic.
I think he has been found out and had we not had the start we had when he first arrived in 2023, then I think he would already be gone!
I wouldn't sack the Southampton manager either. He's trying to create a team that can stay in the league for years and become a midtable team, but he's risking short term reuslts by not selling out on his style. Chances are he'll get them relegated by doing this, but is going pragmtic just to stay up before inevitably getting relegated next year or the year after much better?
I get that most football fans just want a short term high. Staying up is everything for southampton fans right now. Just like it was for Burnley last year. But I can see the method in the madness.
We deserved it. It was a dreadful performance lacking any effort whatsoever. If we lost, that wouldn't have been unfair.
I do wonder if Levy was already seeing the cracks based on every game after the fabled first 10 last season.
We know Levy stops backing managers, especially when he has an inkling they're getting sacked soon.
I agree his 3 best appointments were more by luck than judgement . I genuinely believe anyone worth their salt sees the Spurs job as a poison chalice now , sacking Ange only adds to that narrative .
I admit we could have got Slot but Baldy shit the bed over the compensation fee . The irony of that scenario is so Spursy , an owner who pays out compensation like others change their socks bottles a decent hire over compensation.
He is not motivating our players though. We only show up once every few weeks.
I've been saying for a year that those 10 games have skewed an insanely average stint. He will never get close to rekindling those games in the PL. Not with us. Not with anyone.
He's done.
But we should just keep changing. It's more likely to yield some level of success than sticking with a manager that isn't working.
I would rather see us change every 18 months than stick with this nonsense for 2 to 3 years. We're going backwards.
Of course AP is not the sole reason for our unpredictable season, Enic and the players are equally culpable but ultimately the buck stops with the manager and for me this guy is being exposed as a fraud. Even with a hugely improved squad, a squad he has had a lot of saying by the way, I still believe his approach would fail. Had he not had the start to his managerial career that he had with us, I think he would be gone already.
Yeah I agree entirely. At this point I am beyond caring who the manager is because I dont really see it being any different whoever it is. The owners are the problem, we all know that.
We wont beat Bournemouth and Chelsea. Both teams are in form and will want it more than us.
Yes. But I think a draw was a fair result on the day. As soon as I saw the team I knew we werent winning. The attack was very midtable. But we knew in the summer we didnt have enough in attack, it is why I said we'd finish eighth. It was obvious.
That's the point I'm making!