Unfortunately I think your right and ultimately we are both, along with thousands of others, are gonna just have to sit it out and wait and see what's in the trophy cabinet come May and if it's a carabo cup and a EL cup I'll enjoy that as much as anyone but I'd also need to see this school boy approach to league games change to because It I'm not a big basketball fan!
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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Okay, I'll give you an analogy.
Joe Schmidt. The Wallabies coach. A recognised top shelf coach. Record - Won 6 Lost 7 with Wallabies.
Do I want him to go? NO WAY. He's moulding them into a great team who should get over the Lions next year
I feel the same way with Ange.
He's brought in very young players who, together with the current academy talent and some loans, will have us rocking next year.
Come the end of the season, if we finish mid-table, and haven't won a cup or two....then I'll agree that he should go.
Until that time, I'll continue to back Spurs to succeed, win, draw or loss.
It's still going to be 5-2-2 over December.
Again with this certainty. He might well still be here in January or May but like any other manager he needs results. If for example we get 1 point from the next 4 league games and sit 14th at Christmas history tells us he'd be sacked. AVB was sacked 3 days before a league cup quarter having won every Europa game upto that point. Nuno was still in all the cups Our chairman sacked a manager 6 days before a final, another a week before a semi final.
There is some precedent in decent January incomings to be fair - Deki and Bentancur both arrived in the same January.Tell me you are new to Spurs without telling me
Injuries happen, we didn’t strengthen the squad adequately enough before the season started when we knew we could play 69 games.
There is no way this chairman will sanction up to three starting quality players (which you could argue we need) in the next window. Maybe a couple of squad players.
The overall brand of football is better, yes. But this is a results business.
That said it's absolutely not the norm and I wouldn't be expecting anything this time.
We need to win our next 5 to keep our season alive, we drop another 6 points in the league in that time, with a EFL cup exit and we're in really bad state as these opportunities we keep getting of staying in the mix will disappear in this next period.Okay, I'll give you an analogy.
Joe Schmidt. The Wallabies coach. A recognised top shelf coach. Record - Won 6 Lost 7 with Wallabies.
Do I want him to go? NO WAY. He's moulding them into a great team who should get over the Lions next year
I feel the same way with Ange.
He's brought in very young players who, together with the current academy talent and some loans, will have us rocking next year.
Come the end of the season, if we finish mid-table, and haven't won a cup or two....then I'll agree that he should go.
Until that time, I'll continue to back Spurs to succeed, win, draw or loss.
It's still going to be 5-2-2 over December.
it's when the premier league really takes shape and teams start to pull away or get into trouble.
Despite our inconsistencies we can still put it right, but I think it's definitely the last chance we get.
I think if that chance goes Ange is done and won't be here to see us rocking next year.
Fullham and Roma were draws not losses.
Do you consider draws to be losses?
Hit me with it Brian, I've got a very thick skin
Shall I tell him or does someone else want to?!?!
Yes, but also Eric Dier and Davinson Sanchez and Serge Aurier in the backline, you know.
Give those defenders to Ange system and see us leaking 100+ goals across league season, mate.
But also lost from being 2:0 up against Brighton.
Gave first wins of the whole season to Palace and Ipswich.
And in Fulham game the foot was in front of other foot to trip over really.
Basically this "front foot football" happens in every 2nd game. In games between there is that kind of slouching around with zero fucks given.
And that is amateur league stuff.
So obviously there are things that go in favor of him / are massive positives.
And there are things that go against him / are massive negatives.
Well obviously not! I'm talking about the performances over the 90+ minutes which were unacceptable imo, so you could say they felt like a lose coz I definitely wasn't celebrating at the end.
You clearly do not grasp the expectation levels here, do ya ?
YES - playing Europa League home game against side like Roma, draw = loss. Before that game we had won 10 Europa League home games in a row. It was total shit result.
YES - playing Fulham at home and finishing with 1 point absolutely is a loss, there is even no question about it.
This would only be valid if he hadn't taken responsibility for some of the things you're talking about in previous pressers after previous losses, which he has.
after Brighton he took responsibility for the players poor competitivness in the second half.
After the Palace game he said he had to do better in ensuring the team retain composure in games where it's a highly physical battle.
Porro & Dragusin too....
We've definitely been more active in January in recent years
It was also Conte’s first window, and whilst both players have more than proved their worth now, at the time many fans were less than inspired by “Juve bench fodder” as they were labelled.
Most January windows under ENIC have been utter arse.
If Ange is binned before the window maybe a new manager would get that sort of thing, but if he’s here? Levy WILL be considering his options at this point, make no mistake. And that may well be wait until the end of the season, which would make him hesitant to seriously back Ange in January. Regardless of whether the squad needs it or not.
Uuuuggggghhhhh
Most January transfer windows are shit for all teams. There is a very very good reason for it.
I think the issue you’re facing is not having much in the way of comparable context due to as you say only having started supporting us when we got Ange.
You’re right, we haven’t lost six in a row like City. Last season we did lose 3 in a row, and toward the end of the season we actually lost 5 out of 6, 4 of which were in a row but we then beat a very poor Burnley 2-1 (in which we struggled) before losing a 5th out of six, so very easily could have lost 6 in a row.
This season, we’re not losing in a row so much, but we’re doing something which is equally as unhelpful, which is winning one, losing one, winning one, losing one. There’s no consistency, but I know you get this as I’m sure I’ve read posts of yours where you’re agreeing this is an issue.
I think in terms of progress, others here have seen the Poch years,the Jol years, and the Redknapp years where we still had plenty of inconsistency at times (Poch nailed it best, e.g the last year at the Lane) and I think it was easier there to see a side that was genuinely progressing and getting better and better, whereas atm a lot of people, myself included watch us and it isn’t a case of improvement, but just having no idea what version of us turns up.
I think it’s great you’re positive, and I don’t mean that to sound patronising. I’ll also always welcome new fans, but o think a lot of people are disagreeing with your view of the progress we are making, because they have seen the progress others have made with our club, and I don’t think they believe that Ange can ever replicate that due to his lack of experience at the top level.
Of course.
We just find ourselves needing to utilise it because of injuries and not supporting the manager properly. Again.