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Management Ange Postecoglou
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Unless he feels like he's under massive pressure and gets really desperate I don't see him taking shots at Levy openly. There'll be subtle jabs here and there but that'll be it. He knows that he was a cheap option, his past accomplishments do not warrant him taking such a big job like this, and if it goes wrong here he won't get another shot at the top level. So he'll keep "grateful to be here" vibe till the very end. A manager with Ange's resume and Conte/Mourinho's attitude has zero appeal for Levy. And Ange knows it.
His decision making was super erratic against Bournemouth. I don’t know why Sarr came off when he was the only one on their level in terms of competing for tackles. Another attacker just meant we surrendered the midfield completely.
I get the squad depth is terrible currently so he’s limited in options but tactically we fell apart completely.
Also, wtf is happening with Udogie? The lack of development in some of our players is staggering. He has gotten worse.
I accept he’s got a shit hand at the moment, the mitigating factors are there. But he’s not earning his pay at all. It feels like all the big decisions he makes turn out terrible.
I get the squad depth is terrible currently so he’s limited in options but tactically we fell apart completely.
Also, wtf is happening with Udogie? The lack of development in some of our players is staggering. He has gotten worse.
I accept he’s got a shit hand at the moment, the mitigating factors are there. But he’s not earning his pay at all. It feels like all the big decisions he makes turn out terrible.
Every time I look at the stats I see more horrific picture than I could have imagined.
This season we are now on 20p from 14 games. This is 1.43 ppg. Across 38 game season this means finishing on 54 points. This will get you 8th-12th place finish in EPL depending on season.
If we look at the whole Ange's reign - we have gathered 86 points from 52 games. This equals to 1,65 ppg. Across 38 game season it brings up to 63 points. This would get you 6th place (across past 6 years also once 5th and once 7th).
But now the most shocking part - if we eliminate the first 10 games - and one with even two functioning braincell would have to. Cause following 42 games have shown that there has been absolute zero indication of that ever repeating. Saying that it is a factor to consider is as credible as to suggest re-signing Dele Alli for 100 mil pounds. Cause 6 years ago he was worth that amount. Even though after that he has not replicated anything of like. So no one is suggesting him being worth 100 mil now. Why would we count something that has not been here for 4,2x longer than it hasnt to be relevant anymore?
Then we are EXACTLY back to the current season 1.43 ppg.
So this shit form is NOT ABOUT THIS SEASON. It is not about current injury crises.
We have been in 54-points-form so 8th-12th place course for 42 games in a row now.
We have been absolutely shit for full season + 4 games (!) and there has been absolutely no improvement.
And when was the last time we finished on such level of points?
In 2008-2009 season (!) since then we have finished below 60 points once - 2019-2020 when we had 59 points.
We have been on course of 15 year shittiest result for more than full year, and people yet roll their eyes and call people names, and "trigger happy" and "impatient" and whatever more.
This season we are now on 20p from 14 games. This is 1.43 ppg. Across 38 game season this means finishing on 54 points. This will get you 8th-12th place finish in EPL depending on season.
If we look at the whole Ange's reign - we have gathered 86 points from 52 games. This equals to 1,65 ppg. Across 38 game season it brings up to 63 points. This would get you 6th place (across past 6 years also once 5th and once 7th).
But now the most shocking part - if we eliminate the first 10 games - and one with even two functioning braincell would have to. Cause following 42 games have shown that there has been absolute zero indication of that ever repeating. Saying that it is a factor to consider is as credible as to suggest re-signing Dele Alli for 100 mil pounds. Cause 6 years ago he was worth that amount. Even though after that he has not replicated anything of like. So no one is suggesting him being worth 100 mil now. Why would we count something that has not been here for 4,2x longer than it hasnt to be relevant anymore?
Then we are EXACTLY back to the current season 1.43 ppg.
So this shit form is NOT ABOUT THIS SEASON. It is not about current injury crises.
We have been in 54-points-form so 8th-12th place course for 42 games in a row now.
We have been absolutely shit for full season + 4 games (!) and there has been absolutely no improvement.
And when was the last time we finished on such level of points?
In 2008-2009 season (!) since then we have finished below 60 points once - 2019-2020 when we had 59 points.
We have been on course of 15 year shittiest result for more than full year, and people yet roll their eyes and call people names, and "trigger happy" and "impatient" and whatever more.
He is so thin-skinned that he sometimes comes out with the most contrarian shit whenever he’s asked a difficult question.
If he really believes some of the drivel he comes out with then that’s scary.
Even 08/09 we finished 8th on 51 pts despite having 2pts from the first 8 games. Redknapp took on that mess and got us 49pts from 30 games. Much better than anything we've seen all year. Statistically as well as real time evidence this is our worst spell since Ramos.
Incredibly eye opening to see him own the signings of Gray and Odobert and basically admit they were his signings and he was all in on them.
You'd have to think if that wasn't true, he simply wouldn't openly admit it. He would waffle about how they are good young players and they need time. He wouldn't explicity come out with they are my signings and this is the strategy I chose.
And it's complete bollocks to suggest signing experienced players isn't classed as a rebuild.
Neto and Eze are experienced players, and they would 100% constitute a rebuild. Chelsea have rebuilt and they have exclusively signed players under 25.
The more I hear Ange speak, the more clear it becomes that firstly, he has no idea what he is doing, and 2, the club is a complete mess.
That the football people at the club, inc Levy, and Ange all either decided to, or signed off on the strategy, to only sign Odobert, Gray and Solanke in the summer is a disgrace.
It is extremely concerning, because even if Ange pushed for these signings, the club simply should have done more. It's complete dereliction of duty to not do more in the summer in terms of bringing in establisahed quality players.
I thought back in the summer we would be in for a long season, because we simply didn't improve the first 11. It was obvious last season, Son was passed it, Werner was shite and shouldn't have been re-signed, and Johnson should be a back up at most.
And what did we do? brought Werner back and signed a 19 year old from Burnley. If you don't laugh you'll cry.
The club simply has no ambition we know this. However Ange is culpable. He chose to bring in kids, and he will fall on that sword imminently, because it was completely naive.
If it was the clubs strategy to sign Odobert and Gray and not Ange, he should just say that. Of course, this could be the case, it's likely to be honest, but then why would Ange own it. It's a weird thing to do. Just say it was the club strategy to sign them.
The previous summer and in January we signed more established players, so it leads me to think Ange had the final say on the summer signings and he chose this path.
Anyway despite all of that, we should be beating teams like Bournemouth, Fulham and Ipswich, so Ange is failing regardless of the hand he has been dealt by the club.
You'd have to think if that wasn't true, he simply wouldn't openly admit it. He would waffle about how they are good young players and they need time. He wouldn't explicity come out with they are my signings and this is the strategy I chose.
And it's complete bollocks to suggest signing experienced players isn't classed as a rebuild.
Neto and Eze are experienced players, and they would 100% constitute a rebuild. Chelsea have rebuilt and they have exclusively signed players under 25.
The more I hear Ange speak, the more clear it becomes that firstly, he has no idea what he is doing, and 2, the club is a complete mess.
That the football people at the club, inc Levy, and Ange all either decided to, or signed off on the strategy, to only sign Odobert, Gray and Solanke in the summer is a disgrace.
It is extremely concerning, because even if Ange pushed for these signings, the club simply should have done more. It's complete dereliction of duty to not do more in the summer in terms of bringing in establisahed quality players.
I thought back in the summer we would be in for a long season, because we simply didn't improve the first 11. It was obvious last season, Son was passed it, Werner was shite and shouldn't have been re-signed, and Johnson should be a back up at most.
And what did we do? brought Werner back and signed a 19 year old from Burnley. If you don't laugh you'll cry.
The club simply has no ambition we know this. However Ange is culpable. He chose to bring in kids, and he will fall on that sword imminently, because it was completely naive.
If it was the clubs strategy to sign Odobert and Gray and not Ange, he should just say that. Of course, this could be the case, it's likely to be honest, but then why would Ange own it. It's a weird thing to do. Just say it was the club strategy to sign them.
The previous summer and in January we signed more established players, so it leads me to think Ange had the final say on the summer signings and he chose this path.
Anyway despite all of that, we should be beating teams like Bournemouth, Fulham and Ipswich, so Ange is failing regardless of the hand he has been dealt by the club.
His go to when we’re losing is to just go 4-4-2 and hope for the best, no plan , no structure behind it, clearly not something we actually work on in training as it always makes us look somehow even worse than before. It’s all just so amateur
i'm getting late stage avb vibes at this point. squad seems over ange and the tactics. i'm thinking potter could be this year's sherwood and get us some improvement in the short term by simplifying stuff and getting us on sturdier ground tactically. upcoming chelski and liverpool feeling like the city and liverpool matches that killed off avb. how long before we get a 'we is us' with tears in his eyes from ange? fire him now. he can't turn this around. we've been shit for over a year now
He's saying what he needs to say to keep his boss onside.
He's nothing if not canny.
Look on the bright side. Were not west ham.
Me not calling for his head is apathy? Don't think I don't detect the sarcasm in the "true supporter" bit either. I've posted my feelings on how ENIC have managed us over the years. This is about AP though, so why keep banging on about Levy, unless you're trying to dig out an argument?
I'm not interested.
Never said I don't have a view on him, I've shared it often enough and I don't care to repeat myself.
No he didn't. That was a strategic move to get Lammy to get his arse in gear.
OK, I'm done with this now. If you want a tear up over Levy and ENIC, get yourself over to that thread. Don't expect me to be there though.
what if we lose the next 6 ?
Tbh i think odobert is a talent. Unlucky he got injured.
But that's why we have
bus-conductor
, he'll be like the Japanese soldiers in the Philippines before he gives up on this...especially since I've been the one in his ear goading him about it...as we speak he's prolly got some ready-to-post field tilt stats that contradict last night's result. Or he'll just blame Poch for all this mess...somehow!
Spurs' Postecoglou has 'no interest' who backs him
Tottenham manager Ange Postecoglou has said he has "no interest in who is behind me" following an argument with a group of fans after Thursday's 1-0 defeat at Bournemouth.
Not much interest? The fans pay his fucking wages.
He can fuck off back to a farmers' league for all I care at this stage. So much for 'getting our Tottenham back etc.', it's been so shite, I'm more apathetic than ever.
Thanks for that brilliant piece of information. Yip,the manager tells them to be shit and give the ball away constantly!! That’s what Ange tells them to do!