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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
There's nothing to say this happens any more than a new man comes in, gets a Europa league spot and wins something next season. Just because you fear what may come doesn't mean you should accept what is. Look at Chavs, every man and their dog thought they would suffer for binning poch and bringing in Maresca, especially with the discourse around their massive squad size, now look at them, arguably more in the title race than Stoke 2.0.
Please don't compare us with chelsea, their owner wants to win trophies while our owner are busy with spreadsheets.

I am not accepting current situation but sacking managers is not working. We should find different solution, may be stop signing youngsters, stop wasting money ain't working. Stop signing mediocre players like Richy and Solanke, spend a bit more pay more in wages and get decent players. Sign experienced players.... What levy is doing is not working whoever is the next manager, ask Conte, he was right.
 
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Our (team) metrics are exceptional.

We are absolutely underperforming (somehow???).

I would suggest spending some time on corner kick tactics (attacking AND defending)... it seems absolutely ridiculous to be flippant about a set piece scenario that has been a weakness for us (particularly defending).

I'm a bit "old school", but I can never understand why you wouldn't have the fullbacks on each post for defensive corner kick set-ups.
 
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Ange once did a big poo in a brown paper bag, lit the paper bag, rang my doorbell and ran away.

I stomped on the bag thinking it was a fire hazard. It was, in fact, a poo hazard. I got poo everywhere.

What a cunt
 
One of the issue is that the in the current player market, the top echelon are getting obsene money, which clubs like Tottenam won't pay.

That market also drags up the price for bang average players.

We end up with Richarlsons getting 60 mill, when he's no better than Chris Wood whose worth a tenth of that. That then ups the fan expectations: "Look at our spend, compared to Forest, we should be doing better".

Unless you're willing to pay for the big boys to play with the big boys, you'll finish anywhere between 6th and 12th, because mediocrity is mediocre no matter which club they play for. and what you paid for them.
 
Our (team) metrics are exceptional.

We are absolutely underperforming (somehow???).


I would suggest spending some time on corner kick tactics (attacking AND defending)... it seems absolutely ridiculous to be flippant about a set piece scenario that has been a weakness for us (particularly defending).

I'm a bit "old school", but I can never understand why you wouldn't have the fullbacks on each post for defensive corner kick set-ups.
First, thanks for the post.

What I see is that we have no problem tearing teams apart after taking a lead. In particular, we have pacy wingers who struggle mightily against teams sitting back but excel at breaks. Pretty much all of our wins this season had totally one-sided scorelines, while most of our losses were by a goal or two. Hence the 4th best GD despite being 10th. I assume it's the same story for other stats you posted: They're mostly accumulated during the periods that we lead. That doesn't tell much about how well we're doing when we're not leading. As an example, against the likes of Palace and Bournemouth (yesterday) we barely posed any threat to the opponent while losing.

That's only a guess obviously but seems sensible.
 
No fucking chance Ange wanted to spend £70M on three spotty sixth formers ffs.

He should have resigned when the window shut, this serves him right for towing the party line
Lol. Ange is Charlie in the Chocolate Factory right now. No way could he have ever hoped to manage a club like Spurs - he's got no leverage to demand anything.

That doesn't absolve Levy, either. He hired a completely out-of-his-depth manager whose only meaningful experience came from fledgling leagues on the other side of the planet.

Disaster from all. We can't sack Levy, but we can sack Ange. His replacement might not be better, but they'll have a hard time being worse.
 
Lol. Ange is Charlie in the Chocolate Factory right now. No way could he have ever hoped to manage a club like Spurs - he's got no leverage to demand anything.

That doesn't absolve Levy, either. He hired a completely out-of-his-depth manager whose only meaningful experience came from fledgling leagues on the other side of the planet.

Disaster from all. We can't sack Levy, but we can sack Ange. His replacement might not be better, but they'll have a hard time being worse.

Tried explaining this to some of our new Aussie friends. The idea Ange would ever walk is hilarious. This is a level financially and competitively that he has never, ever even got close to touching. It's an insanely meteoric rise for him considering his age and where he has spent most of his career coaching.

The guy was a punt. On the back of his work at Spurs so far (especially finishing 5th, and generally being entertaining) he might land at say a Palace etc, but he's not getting any better than that. Working at a top 6 PL club is literally a career dream come true for him, he's never stepping down, he's never rowing publicly with the board.
 
Are people more angry about supporters calling Ange a cunt or calling him fat?

If we were to call him a ripped and veiny in shape cunt would that make a difference?

Or is the cunt part the issue?

I mean…he behaves like a cunt in the same way Jose did, only difference is Jose was a cunt with the history to back up his out of control ego.
 
The likes of Lopetegui, Glasner and Moyes all have objectively much better resumes than Ange yet they've been managing bottom half teams. Meanwhile, looking at Ange's resume, even Celtic (let alone Tottenham) sticks out like a sore thumb. The fact that he got this job is close to a miracle. I'm certain that under this facade of an arrogant and overly confident man there lies someone who's aware of this.

Levy didn't even cut Pochettino much slack, what makes you think Ange has any leverage over him? He's extremely fortunate to still be here. Unless he somehow wins a cup he won't be here next summer.
 
Please don't compare us with chelsea, their owner wants to win trophies while our owner are busy with spreadsheets.

I am not accepting current situation but sacking managers is not working. We should find different solution, may be stop signing youngsters, stop wasting money ain't working. Stop signing mediocre players like Richy and Solanke, spend a bit more pay more in wages and get decent players. Sign experienced players.... What levy is doing is not working whoever is the next manager, ask Conte, he was right.


If Levy is so tight, why doesn't he hold some cunt at the club personally responsible for every single million wasted on absolutely shit, waste of space , what the fuck is that signings, of which we seem to have a monopoly of.
 
Are people more angry about supporters calling Ange a cunt or calling him fat?

If we were to call him a ripped and veiny in shape cunt would that make a difference?

Or is the cunt part the issue?

I mean…he behaves like a cunt in the same way Jose did, only difference is Jose was a cunt with the history to back up his out of control ego.

I do generally think verbally abusing someone who is managing us is a step too far. Screaming it at someone and lashing out a bit on here are very different things. Ange is right as well, he is human and being called a fat cunt by the clubs own fans probably did effect him in some way. It's an uncomfortable thing to watch happen to another person.

On the flip side, these guys are paying to go out to Bournemouth and watch that shit so I get the frustration. I just don't think it was vented in the right way personally.

On a sidenote, again whilst I'm not particularly keen on him, I don't think Ange is anywhere near as much of a cunt as Jose.
 
I am 100% with the thought of sticking with the manager and giving him time. Absolutely.

My issue is when you implement this approach with the "wrong" manager. I would have loved sticking with Poch and see his 2.0 team. With Ange, he is not the manager you want to stuck with. He's been found tactically, when he faces good managers and team who are discipline, well-drilled, flexible with their manager's tactics and changes, he struggles and looks like a checkers player playing chess with "real" chess master. His changes and subs are "try and see" what happens. No tactical nuances to what he is trying to do.
That's why, also, I would never blame the players. I can put 10% on them if they have a bad game or two. But remember those are professional players and implement what the manager draws. They do that all their lives. How can Ipswich players looks so organized and discipline? Fulham's? Bournemouth? No way these players are better than ours. But they are well-coached, well-drilled, they know what the manager tactics are, they are trained enough to respond when the manager makes tactical changes.
Now someone tell me, does this apply to Ange? My opinion is, NO. After almost a year and a half, I do not see that. You have the good/great performance here or there, but the norm is struggle, sluggish, boring, no-ideas, headless chicken type of performance. List for me the matches where his changes turned a game around (tactical changes please, not the Son one where he only made a sub for fitness reason). The Man City result is an anomaly. City were (maybe still) is a bad spill where many teams take advantage of them. So we didn't do something totally out of order here. I am happy with the result, but I would take a loss to ManC and wins against Ipswich, Fulham, and Bournemouth any day.

Give me a manager with tactical knowledge, flexibility, knowing how to read games, impact games, manage the squad, find solutions when injuries/suspensions pile up. I don't care about attacking, entertaining, defensive debate. Just a manager who manages the team, the matches, the competitions, and of course the board. It can be done, Poch did it to some extent. Someone like Nagelsman is one I believe can do it. Not that I call for JN, but it was an example of possible alternatives since the big names like Kloppe are out of the question. The Breighton guy look promising though o_O
 
Tried explaining this to some of our new Aussie friends. The idea Ange would ever walk is hilarious. This is a level financially and competitively that he has never, ever even got close to touching. It's an insanely meteoric rise for him considering his age and where he has spent most of his career coaching.

The guy was a punt. On the back of his work at Spurs so far (especially finishing 5th, and generally being entertaining) he might land at say a Palace etc, but he's not getting any better than that. Working at a top 6 PL club is literally a career dream come true for him, he's never stepping down, he's never rowing publicly with the board.


I agree and its permeated much of his pressers as he tried to earn some respect.

I think that has undermined his power in the dressing room and it also influences his team selections as well. Postecoglou has been absolutely ruthless with player management in his previous roles. Not here though.

For example Romero deserved multiple-bullockings and to be benched, but do really think this "no-name" manager from a football backwater is benching a WC-winner? Maddison deserved it well before it was done, but he Maddison was clearly unhappy when it eventually happened.

Ironically, at a club like Palace, it would not surprise me if he is able to make more of it than he has so far.
 
Are people more angry about supporters calling Ange a cunt or calling him fat?

If we were to call him a ripped and veiny in shape cunt would that make a difference?

Or is the cunt part the issue?

I mean…he behaves like a cunt in the same way Jose did, only difference is Jose was a cunt with the history to back up his out of control ego.


Conte has also been called Cunte. What is it with the last 3 Tottenham managers with complete different backgrounds and football philosophies all being cunts?

Paying the money to watch a football game doesn't give anyone the right to personally verbally abuse the manager like that.
 
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